Why little to no (civil) resistance to Trump?

Politics & Elections
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A review of recent history may be warranted.

There was continuous dialogue between countries throughout Biden’s term - just how many Americans do you think were released by Russia alone over the last 4 years (have we already forgotten about Brittany Griner?) and how would you suggest that happened without talking to them?

There’s a difference between social media bluster and actual international relations.

Likewise, as now repeatedly mentioned in the thread, there’s a difference between a lack of civil resistance you see (or would prefer to see) on news and social media and what actually occurs, which may not take the form or have the impact one might prefer but does actually exist.

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You mean an additional 4 years beyond the 4 he already had?

And what does that have to do with this thread (civil resistance and lack thereof)?

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There have been marches and protests. There was a 50 States protest at each capitol building on February 5, protests all over L. A., the nationwide Tesla protests last weekend, and likely others.

The question isn’t just why we supposedly don’t protest, but also why isn’t the news telling you about the protests and marches that have happened?

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They need to be bigger. A lot bigger. And most importantly, they need to be disruptive.

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That’s a problem, that just gives Trump etal, a reason to declare Martial Law. Which he would have already done if he thought he could get away with it. Or his ‘advisors’ thought he could get away with it.

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On the other hand if they aren’t disruptive, they’ll just be ignored. So it turns into a question of if people want to be ignored until the leopards eat them, or shot then eaten.

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American’s need to wake up and understand their freedom is no longer free. The ‘King’ is seizing power and removing all checks and balances - once seized the powers in charge (including the ‘King’s’ successors) will never willingly release them because they know they’ll have broken the laws and wind up in jail.
Martial Law is just the tip of iceberg of what Americans will likely have to experience if they actually want to right this ship. Resistance may ultimately end in Civil War or worse - but the alternative is to just accept the remaining life within a fascist police state (enjoy lining up for bread rations and hoping you are not drafted and sent to the front lines of the next war as cannon fodder).

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I am in blood.

Stepp’d in so far that, should I wade no more

Returning were as tedious as go o’er

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If that’s his intent, then he’ll find a reason to do it whether we protest or not. May as well make our voices heard.

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Yes, this. We’ve seen that argument over and over for years, “We shouldn’t do X because it’ll provoke the Right into doing Y”, only for the Right to do Y" anyway. It presumes a level of restraint and good intentions on the Right that simply doesn’t exist. And Trump, specifically has a pattern of going as far as he thinks he can get away with.

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I have an alternative idea. One that meets somewhere in the middle. That is disruptive…very…but is not violent or breaks any laws, per se.

Here is what I think. My 2 cents. My idea, plan, thought, what have you, on what I wish would happen…
…but I fully admit MY idea, this one I’m about to lay out, is fairly impossible. It will simply never happen. At least not on the scale I think it should in order to work…but here it is anyways.

A one day strike. A MASS strike. One day only. Just one.

A strike of everyone. Anyone and everyone wiilling to risk it. Just… don’t go into work for that day. And go out in the streets and show that it’s not because you’re sick or you have something VITAL to do…no, it’s just to show the Trump administration that you’re a part of this protest.

Everyone. strike. Everyone. Boss threatens to fire you if you don’t come in. OKay, fine. Have fun replacing me. Hell, the BOSS should be right out there striking with you. Along with all of your co workers.

But Idle Thoughts… there are many people who cannot simply walk away from their jobs, they are INTEGREAL jobs, Needed, Required. Police officers Firefighters, Nurses, Doctors, Hospital Workers. You want them to just leave all the dying and sick patients alone ENTIRELY for just one day?? It cannot be done, it’s not realistic.

Well…yeah, that’s what I said at the start. it would never happen.

But yes… I am saying that. I am saying WALK away for that day, even if you are a cop or firefighter or nurse or doctor or postal worker or streetcleaner or shoe salesman or bank teller or teacher or…ANYTHING. Doesn’t matter. Strike. Walk away for one day…and show you’re not gonna put up with it any more.

Be peaceful, of course. Just protesting. But everyone, A mass one. One day strike OF ALL WORKERS>…and hell…SET UP THOSE EMERGENCY tents that they had like, In Korea and the Vietnam war…BRING THE ER AND ICU PATIENTS OUT too… give them signs to hold if they want to.

One day… everyone walks away from their jobs, any job. No matter the job.

…

Obviously this will never happen.
FIrst of all, all of the people FOR Trump would not do it. Secondly, even those against Trump, a large amount won’t do it. People will not be willing to leave the required jobs and leave citizens unsafe from crime and sickness. Bosses will threaten firings all over the place and most will give in and cow to it, not wanting to lose their job.

It wouldn’t work. It would never get off the ground.

But if it ever somehow DID… that would be a way to disrupt life, yet it would still be peaceful and not break protesting laws, as far as I can tell.

Because if it ever, by some MAGICAL MEANS did happen on a GRAND SCALE… just one day… the nation would SHUT DOWN. Virtually shut down and then Trump would panic and not know what to do…

BUt then… next day? Business as usual. Everyone geos to their jobs. Well, what jobs they still have…

But then the real fun starts. Because we, the people (remember that lilne?), can always let Trump know “Okay…now imagine that ONE DAY… ONGOING. Because the NEXT STRIKE will be INDEFINITE”

Yeah, I think he’d give in then. I think there’s even a chance he’d give up the post. Secede.

Well, I can dream.

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I disagree with your hesitation - we’re talking about America losing the freedom to vote in a fair election ever again. A one day strike is a relatively minor form of resistance.
Not everyone will join in. But if 10% went along it would be noticed - and then you’d hope the idea would gain traction and more would go along with the next one day strike (because yes you’re going to need several). Retaliation / martial law might be expected to follow and hopefully enough people would stay the course. But freedom loving Americans need to wake up to the high stakes they are up against.

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Why would martial law be expected if it was just an ordinary, peaceful march/protest? I mean, yeah, it would be massive and disruptive in the fact that a lot of jobs would be shut for the day…a lot of vital jobs…
…but people are allowed to leave their jobs if they want, that is not against the law, nor is protesting as long as it’s orderly and peaceful.

I’m not sure on what grounds he would have to declare Marshall Law in that case, yet it’d still cause a colossal impact, yes… even if only 10 percent did it.

And it would make the news. Something like that? Yeah, that would, front page, in HUGE, BOLD FONT. MASS US STRIKE, PEOPLE LEAVE ALL JOBS FOR A DAY IN ALL STATES.

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It’s because we don’t want the waste. The jobs should have never been created in the first place. There are three branches and only three branches of the Federal Government; Judicial, Executive, and Legislative. There is no bureaucratic branch. It is sad that people have to lose their jobs, but when you are in government, you serve at the will of the people. When you work for the executive branch, you also work at the will of the chief executive. There should never be more protections for government workers than there are workers in the private sector.

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I don’t object to the general idea of eliminating jobs that aren’t needed.

I’m objecting to the specific thing that’s going on now, where people are being mass fired without even checking to see what they do, and whether it’s important. Like those people who guard our nuclear weapons who were fired because Musk’s minions didn’t know what they did.

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Correct, so far. Do you believe in checks and balances? Because at this point, it would seem TPTB want to nullify two of these branches.

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The people in the executive branch serve at the will of the Chief Executive. He can hire or fire whomever he wishes that is part of that branch. That is his job. Also, he only has to spend amounts that congress specifically categorizes as mandatory spending which are very few items in the budget. Any discretionary spending (which are most programs) may be used by the President or not. If he does not use it, he returns it to congress as a recission.

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Nuclear weapons are mainly guarded and used by the military. I would be very uneasy if any civilian was guarding a nuclear weapon. Civilian involvement is mostly in design. Also, DOGE doesn’t have the ability to hire or fire anyone. They can only make recommendations.

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Sorry, wrong.

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