Only if the US makes it lucrative and refugees are quarantined in isolated camps unable to integrate into Egyptian society.
West bank makes most sense. Ship the rest to Iran. Isreal / Egypt / Jordan shouldnt be forced to harbor terrorists because of Iran (primarily)
Are you saying all Palestinians are terrorists?
Congratulations on your first post not only declaring an entire people to be terrorists but that they should be shipped off to a foreign land like cattle. All that’s missing for a trifecta is conflating Muslim and Arab in the decision that Iran would be a good place for them.
Nope. Jordan and Egypt (the two most likely countries) have re-affirmed that they will not let any Palestinians into their territory. They’re demanding that other countries solve the problem. Sort of like NIMBY writ large.
Waging war against your neighbor means losing could mean losing your lands to that country. Palestinians choose Hamas as their governing organization, and Iran as an ally. Iran supports the governing organization of Gaza and militarily supports them attacking Isreal, so yes, if your country loses, you face the consequences. Next time ally with non islamic extremists if you dont want your homeland taken over by its western neighbors you supported beheading and kidnapping…
Are you saying all Palestinians are islamic extremists? Send those to Iran; Egypt / Jordan / Israel neither wants nor needs them. The non terrorist supporting Palestinians relocate to the west bank, ideally learn to fight terrorism next time. Gaza is a lesson that must be learned by Hamas and its supporters.
Where, exactly where in my post did you get the idea I said any such thing. I await your apology.
To be fair, why should Egypt or Jordan or other neighboring countries be expected to absorb Palestinians who currently live in their own ancestral homeland and want to continue living there?
Palestinians aren’t a NIMBY issue like a wastewater treatment plant or prison or some other undesirable but necessary infrastructure that everybody acknowledges has to be put somewhere but that nobody wants in their own back yard. Palestinians are human beings who have their own back yard to be in, and are entitled to rights and sovereignty within it.
(And no, none of that excuses or justifies terrorist attacks such as the horrific Hamas mass murders. But neither do Hamas actions cancel or invalidate the fundamental right of Palestinians as a whole to self-determination.)
Agreed.
Sure. But most people who want to move have some options. I don’t think Palestinians have any. It’s not just “the Palestinians as a whole” who matter. The individual Palestinians do, too. And it often feels like they are being used as pawns to put pressure on Israel, and not treated with the concern that other people in war zones are treated with.
Could you possibly rephrase this word salad paragraph into something that is comprehensible English?
There’s that, and there’s also the fact that Egypt and in particular Jordan already have absorbed and/or have large Palestinian refugee populations.
Palestinians in Egypt - Wikipedia
Estimates of the size of the Palestinian population in Egypt range from 50,245 to 110,000.
Palestinians in Jordan - Wikipedia
In Jordan, there is no official census data for how many inhabitants are Palestinians and it rather depends on the definition of who is a Palestinian.[5] Some 2.18 million Palestinians were registered as refugees in 2016.[6] As of 2014, around 370,000 live in ten refugee camps, with the biggest one being Baqa’a refugee camp with over 104,000 residents, followed by Amman New Camp (Wihdat) with over 51,500 residents.
The size of the Palestinian refugee population in Jordan is approximately the same size as the Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip.
They could keep living there, and become part of Egypt. Egypt won’t let them.
They also won’t let Gaza residents move in who actually do want to move. I have no idea what percentage that is of the population, but I’m sure it isn’t zero.
@Dissonance: letting people into refugee camps isn’t the same thing as letting them move into a country.
It becomes a distinction without a difference when the majority of people who are currently ‘refugees’ are in fact the decedents of people who fled their homes between 1948-67. These aren’t recent arrivals.
It’s also why Egypt and Jordan are refusing to take refugees from Gaza; they fear this will turn into a repeat of what happened between 1948-67 and they won’t be temporary refugees but will become permanent refugees not allowed to return to their homes by Israel.
https://abc11.com/egypt-jordan-refugees-palestinians/13935609/
The two countries, which flank Israel on opposite sides and share borders with Gaza and the occupied West Bank, respectively, have replied with a staunch refusal. Jordan already has a large Palestinian population.
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi made his toughest remarks yet on Wednesday, saying the current war was not just aimed at fighting Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip, “but also an attempt to push the civilian inhabitants to … migrate to Egypt.” He warned this could wreck peace in the region.
Jordan’s King Abdullah II gave a similar message a day earlier, saying, “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.”
Their refusal is rooted in fear that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into their countries and nullify Palestinian demands for statehood. El-Sissi also said a mass exodus would risk bringing militants into Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, from where they might launch attacks on Israel, endangering the two countries’ 40-year-old peace treaty.
Displacement has been a major theme of Palestinian history. In the 1948 war around Israel’s creation, an estimated 700,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled from what is now Israel. Palestinians refer to the event as the Nakba, Arabic for “catastrophe.”
In the 1967 Mideast war, when Israel seized the West Bank and Gaza Strip, 300,000 more Palestinians fled, mostly into Jordan.
The refugees and their descendants now number nearly 6 million, most living in camps and communities in the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. The diaspora has spread further, with many refugees building lives in Gulf Arab countries or the West.
After fighting stopped in the 1948 war, Israel refused to allow refugees to return to their homes. Since then, Israel has rejected Palestinian demands for a return of refugees as part of a peace deal, arguing that it would threaten the country’s Jewish majority.
Egypt fears history will repeat itself and a large Palestinian refugee population from Gaza will end up staying for good.
Are they allowed to move freely within Egypt? To become Egyptian citizens if they choose to do so?
If not, then it’s a distinction with a whole hell of a lot of difference.
I think you missed the point. When 1,000,000 people who fled or were expelled between 1948-67 become not temporary refugees but de facto permanent residents, their population size increases six-fold through natural reproduction, and they have no path to returning ‘home’ it’s not surprising that Egypt and Jordan don’t want to take in a fresh wave of refugees from the Gaza Strip, where they might not be allowed to return after the war is over by Israel and become Egypt and Jordan’s permanent problem, the same as what occurred with the million refugees from the 1948 and 1967 wars.
Lest you think that is an impossible or improbable outcome, I give you Gideon Sa’ar, recently sworn in Minister without portfolio in Netanyahu’s war government:
Gaza “must be smaller at the end of the war,” Israeli Minister Gideon Sa’ar said in an interview Saturday, according to Ha’aretz.
“We must make the end of our campaign clear to everyone around us,” he told Israeli Channel 12 News. “Whoever starts a war against Israel must lose territory.”
Israel is preparing for a ground war in Gaza in retaliation for Hamas’ attacks on the country a week ago.
Sa’ar is one of five opposition lawmakers sworn into Israel’s cabinet Thursday to bring those with more experience leading during wartime into Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government. Sa’ar, a former justice and interior minister and deputy prime minister, spent most of his political career in Netanyahu’s Likud party, but in 2020 left to form his New Hope party.
Why should they? Unless we’re espousing an extremely bold and radical general principle of “border porosity”, so to speak, I don’t see how we could justify expecting Egypt to extend its territorial borders and its citizenship rights to encompass an additional group of people equal in numbers to about 2% of its current population.
That’s like expecting the US to extend its southern border to take on a chunk of Mexican territory plus automatically extending US citizenship to an additional 6 million Mexicans. Or expecting Canada to suddenly take on board about three-quarters of a million Americans as Canadian citizens instead. Can you imagine the indignant squawking that would follow any such proposal?
Not to mention the fact that it’s perfectly reasonable for those Mexicans, or those Americans, or the Gazans, to want to live as citizens of their own country rather than of a neighboring sovereign state.
I fear that we Americans sometimes tend to fall into the trap of thinking of different MENA populations as sort of interchangeable.* Sure, let’s just make Palestinians into Egyptians or Jordanians, let’s just give a Sunni-majority population a new Shi’ite-majority government, let’s just lump Iranians in with Arabs, what difference does it make? (I’m not suggesting that any Dopers—well, at most only a few and probably short-lived Dopers—actually endorse such ignorance, but I think it’s a pretty prevalent subtext in American mainstream media that can affect our unspoken assumptions about geopolitical realities even if we don’t consciously subscribe to it.)
* (We do this a lot with different sub-Saharan African populations, too.)
IIRC, Jordan did at one time make Palestinians citizens, but finally revoked that citizenship.
I should have said ultimately, not finally. Finally gives me the impression that it was a just thing that should have been done earlier. Ultimately is just descriptive, not evaluative.
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