Why not use rubber for pool cue tips?

I will refrain from commenting on snooker, as I have not played that game extensively. The game I play is basically stripes and solids, call shots and so forth. It may be named differently in your jurisdiction.

There is two schools of thought, being the traditionalists and the juene ecole. The new school people will basically use anything to improve their game and this rubber tip would be right up their alley, I’m even surprised that there is not a mount for an iphone/touch that lines up the shot like a HUD.

The traditionalist will eschew any and all tech improvements in the game , including the extensible rake. Traditional cues have known foibles that the shooter can use or work around, while the new school tech might screw up a shot due to unforeseen cause and effect.

In the end its to each shooter, his or her use of the cue and game play against opponents that will dictate the advance of the technology. For each early adopter, you would probably have eight or ten people who won’t buy the new gizmos due to either price or precieved performance issues.

Its a people game in the end , like poker. The equipment only matters so much in the final analysis.

Declan

I remember a gadget being marketed (though probably more as a novelty) that was sort of a rubber finger you could pull over the queue tip. Saw Steve Davis demo it, producing a massé shot effortlessly (well, or so it looked, at any rate). I’ve tried googling, but I seem to be unable to find the thing I’m talking about…

I actually explained earlier why you want to use chalk instead of some sticky compound on your cue. The main reason is consistency. Rubber will behave differently as it ages, it’s got too much flexibility which will cause the shape of the contact point to change, and its stickiness will change depending on impurities - finger oil, humidity, dirt from hitting various balls multiple times, etc.

Chalk is always fresh and consistent in texture. Applying a thin layer of chalk before each shot guarantees perfect consistency in the amount of friction the cue tip imparts to the ball.

There seems to be a misconception here that ‘springy’ is what you want in a cue tip - hence the belief that rubber would be a good material. But most serious players play with tips that are extremely hard. Springiness is not an advantage, because it leads to inconsistency. A hard cue tip with chalk on it provides a precise amount of force with a precise amount of friction to the exact area of the cue ball you want to hit. It’s simply a much better tip material than any rubber to date.

:wink: Back around 1970-72, I purchased a dozen cues equipped with built-in rubber tips for a lodge recreation room. (Today I was looking online to see if I could find such a thing today.) Folks in this thread have theorized considerably, and make some good points, but only in theory. Rubber tips of a hard enough consistency work well, and “do” allow ease of putting English, backspin, etc., on the cue ball…entirely WITHOUT CHALK.

What this offers is:

  1. better English application for those who wish to apply extreme English (however a good stroke, proper and coordinated at the right strength does this fine without rubber…obviously)

  2. less need for extreme power shots, which are at times responsible for ripping table covering felt, etc.

  3. zero need for chalk, meaning that tables remain much cleaner (unless you use powder), costs for chalk over the years is nil, and you never “run out of chalk” (not that any of you would of course LOL) - We just had a couple seniors who decided to try out their new black chalk on our table. Golly what a mess! Black marks in the green…nasty. For my money, a chalk should be the same color as the felt…green…but alas, most people use blue. Go figure!

These tips were built-in, not glued on and not screw-on. Bad choice of manufacture I think, but that’s what they were. (I don’t know the manufacturer, and purchased them before the Internet was a public web.)

Some on the thread have talked about squishiness. Not all rubber is squishy, and today there are plenty of synthetic variations. I think that while this is logically valid, in practice and with today’s technology, it isn’t actually valid.

Some have talked about durability, and changes with humidity, etc. I think the latter is stretching a lot. As to durability, today’s synthetics and even yesteryear’s rubber are plenty durable. But consider that people today, as someone said, do not simply buy one cue, or one tip and expect it to last forever. There is no reason whatsoever that a rubber tip and rubber screw-on tip could not be marketed and be in use.

Will people resist them? Of course they will, and some would never touch one, just as some will never use a fiberglass, titanium shaft cue…despite the fact that in many ways they are simply better all around general use cues. People will resist using my new 350-degree, use in any situation bridge too, and my weighted AND balanced shorty cue, and my built-into-the-table design for bridging that does not need to be removed quickly to avoid being hit by a ball rebounding off the cushion. Two of these have had a rough draft prototype made and they work rather sweetly. People largely play 8-ball and 9-ball, etc., but for those of us who like 14:1 straight pool, snooker, etc., it is a big deal to have a shot that you just can’t get to even with a bridge. I’m 65 now, but I hope to change that scenario before I turn full frog. Never assume that because something has been considered, tried, and discarded, that it is not viable. Often things are discarded because the manufacturers can make more money selling other and often older less efficient items. Money does indeed talk.

When you want to make a 6-rail kick shot accurately, so that the cue ball tracks exactly where you expect it to in order to arrive, English is everything. If I can find some existing rubber cue tips, you can believe I will try them out again. The youngsters at the lodge thought it was cool to break all 12 cues in short order, and I moved on to other things not at the lodge.

Frankly, I get a kick out of purists and theorists, most of whom have never played with a rubber tip, and simply try to imagine a rubber tip. If hard tips and leather are so great, why did we start using chalk to help it along? Ever wonder about that? It was because of the lack of adequate consistent friction and the miscue factor! Leather tips come in various hardness, and tend to compress and harden, needing chalk, sandpaper roughing, or piercing for roughing…I don’t call that consistent hardness and grip…I call it the need for consistent hardness and grip. But as to rubber tips. I’ve only shot with one kind, and it was adequate but not perfect, and I don’t know where to find them these days. I would like to find them, even if I rejected them in the end. Professional players develop their favorite gear by trying them out, not by theorizing and rejecting something without even giving it a whirl. They don’t necessarily need rubber, but then not everyone is or even wishes to be a professional…they just want to play and have less miscues…make sense? Rubber is not all springy or spongy or inconsistent. There is natural rubber of many types, as well as synthetic rubber and similar. And this could be developed at any hardness desired from springy to much harder than leather. And…it could have impregnated in it whatever type of friction-increasing fine grit one desired…throughout the entire tip, so that as you shape it if desired, the new surface will already have grip WITHOUT CHALK. And if a tip (any tip…leather, rubber or whatever) becomes lessened in quality over time, you replace it…tips are not intended to last forever, and are specifically expected to deteriorate and be replaced…so people can cut the yak yak about how rubber cue tips would deteriorate in surface quality. People can applaud chalk all they want, but frankly there are two messy items found around pool tables: chalk and powder. I personally think that in this day and age it’s time to retire both forever, and use the technology we have to create entire lines of custom cue tips, at whatever hardness and grip ratings that could be designed and made available. All this “Oooh…you don’t want a springy or spongy tip is nonsense, since that does not have to be the case with rubber tips.” If you want a hard as glass leather tip and want to chalk it constantly, you already have that…so enjoy it…your choice. Ever wondered why most table cloth is green, but most chalk is blue? Dumb…that’s why. Of course, there are some fine chalk in many colors, with variations in their grip qualities…some of which also come off on the felt cloth and make a horrible mess. A table in the apts where I live now has black streaks all over the place because someone thinks he’s a pro and thus uses a lame black chalk. “BORING!” Nobody seems to know where rubber tips exist, so maybe they don’t exist anymore. Oh well…probably the purists ran them out of town on a rail. Most purists have probably never played with a pro who did not have to shoot soft most of the time to maintain control. Ever see someone bang a bank shot so hard it traveled the return path through the air and landed in the corner pocket…with the cue ball racing around the table at least 3 times…only to come to rest right under the finger of the waiting pro shooter? I have…a wonder to behold. Never saw anyone beat this guy even once. He probably didn’t need a rubber tip either. LOL It’s a big world with lots of tech availability…let’s consider using it.

You know what I get a kick out of? Using paragraphs to make your post readable. Quit after the second sentence.

Wow - be very very quiet everyone. We’ve encountered one of the most incredibly rare creatures here on the SDMB - the Triple Zombie Thread! Brought to life on 2/3/2010, it was put out of it’s misery on 2/5/2010. Then it was reanimated on 6/20/2011, shambled around for a day, and was put down once more on 6/21/2011. There it lay for 9 months, until on 3/23/2012 it rose again from the dead to be stomped down that very same day.

And now today, it rises a third time…

The exit speed of the ball off some of the composite bats is actually a concern. I’ve just learned through googling that the NCAA has a performance limit on composite bats: http://www.mme.wsu.edu/~ssl/certified/certification.html

Another thing that MLB doesn’t like about artificial bats is that they don’t crack. I once read about a pitcher making the transition from college ball to minor league ball, and it was a revelation that pitching inside and forcing a hit off the handle often resulted in a poor hit and a cracked bat, instead of a blooper over the infield. It gave him another weapon. Of course, in the broader, “this is a business” scheme, the fans would howl about the records being broken by using composite bats, and they’d be right.

By the same person, probably* saying the same thing again.

*at least it looks that way, as I didn’t read that run-on “paragraph” closely

I think this thread must be made of bouncy rubber. It just keeps bouncing back up again and again and again :smiley:

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I made it twice as far as you.

This thread was just bumped again by a spammer (now banned).

Must have been the early '80’s. When the AIDS scare really got going people would use a condom no matter WHAT they were doing. :smiley:

Actually, the argument that I heard was that the third baseman was in more peril. There’s a reason it’s called the Hot Corner.