The fallacy of inevitability. The fallacy of appeal to the popular sentiment. Keep going?
Why not? Give me one good reason!
Um, age of consent ring a bell?
yeah, and they showed me the old ones too…and mentioned that I might be stared at…and what to do.
You’re an expert at using them, granted. But you’re still using the words incorrectly.
Affirmation of the consequent. Age of consent laws rest on the presupposition that there is such a thing as being too young.
I am sure that in many societies there is or has been no such distinction.
In my experience, most discussion groups are inhabited by people who use fallacious arguments. ‘15 years from now everyone will believe as I do’ is one of my favorites. It’s total garbage.
My experience is that people who can’t make an argument will change the subject at every opportunity. They start doing things like complaining about fallacies and boasting about their philosophy degrees. :rolleyes:
Fallacy of irrelevance (aka ‘red herring’).
http://socsci.gulfcoast.edu/rbaldwin/15%20common%20logical%20fallacies.htm
Yerp.
The complications that would ensue if polyamorous marriages were to be recognized are properly ranged against the unfairness of not recognizing them. I find this a dispositive argument, but it doesn’t rest on tradition.
I don’t think there is a good reason to prohibit incestuous marriages (provided there is no coersion involved) and I’m not convinced there is a good reason to prohibit marriages between humans and animals (though it should not be legal to consummate those). I am open to reasons other than “we’ve never done it before,” which I’m not even sure is true.
How are correct and erroneous usages distinguished?
Ask me, for starters. Usages that deliberately blur once useful distinctions are always to be questioned. ‘Sex’ (male and female) and ‘gender’ (masculine, feminine and neuter in the linguistic sense) are useful as separate but related terms (related in the sense that ‘natural gender’ became grammatical gender). There is a poem in German which mocks the fact that genders and sex do not agree. I forget what it’s called. Das Mädchen (the girl) is the commonest one cited. The word is neuter (*das *in the pronoun used). If you are interested in the study of the origin of gender in the German language you might want to consult Curme.
If I decide that I should be for something because someone I consider to be an idiot is against it, which fallacy is that?
Where from, Bob Jones?
Because that would certainly explain your laughably superficial understanding of it.
I would imagine that would be the fallacy of Marx.
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In other words, it’s custom or tradition, but it is a recent and regional one. In parts of Asia it is not.
That explains a lot. About your argumentation style.
I mean, you’re basically saying there is some Platonic essence of what words mean, and some dictionaries are getting it wrong. And now you’re saying you know what these Platonic essences are. How did you acquire this knowledge? How can you be sure?
They are about 3% of the population. There is bigotry against homosexuals in parts of the country. Homosexuals get killed for being homosexuals at higher rates than Asians get killed for being Asian (also about 3% of the population). In what sense are they not minorities?
I think you are confusing the definition of discriminate, which means to differentiate and discriminate, which means bigotry.
That’s your opinion. Other opinions differ.
And that law (common law) has customs about how laws can be changed. By legislation and by the courts. Our courts are finding that our constitution (which imho is much more fucking important than any custom) requires that we allow gay couples to get married. I don’t know if we have yet had a case that tried to overturn a law that limited gays to civil unions but that is probably not a much harder case to make.
Its not like we are requiring blonde people to marry black people, we are merely permitting them to do so. And how are anti-miscegenation laws any different than anti-gay marriage laws? They are both born out of bigotry to prevent people from doing something that harms noone.
I would think that women are much more important to repopulating than men. Women are the bottleneck resource in repopulation. Men were more valued because of… … … custom.
Since when are gays a protected class?
I think the answer you keep getting from people in this thread is, let the polyamorists have their multiple spouses. My response is that the legal structure necessary for polyamorous marriages are far more complicated than the legal structure we have in place right now. For example, Husband A marries Wives A, B, and C and has a child with each of them. Wife A also marries Husband B, C and D. And has a child with each of them. Husband B Marries Wife B but not Wife C. husband D how are the marital rights assigned?
There is also the notion that until recently polyamory meant polygamy. And there was a presumption of coercion in polygamous marriages, it was a paternalistic view but it was one of the arguments against it.
Thats the better question. Why have marriage at all? Why not just give everyone civil unions and let churches call them marriages or mind melds.
And why can’t it also be gender agnostic?
Its in American Heritage, Mirriam-Websters, the Oxford English Dictionaries. Is ANYONE right on this other than you?
When I was in college and for about 10 years after that, I wasn’t particularly interested in long term pair-bonding. I wanted to get my seed in as many women as possible without any of that seed taking root. Should I be banned from marriage when I settled down? Why should gay men be any different? Does it matter if gay women don’t live la vida loca even in their youth.
I am just going to guess but a lot of gay men want to settle down with that one special someone after they have sown their oats just like straight men.
I don’t think you find the same level of living la vida loca as you would among 40 year old gay couples as you would among 20 year old gay couples. Compare a 40 year old gay couple (gay and lesbian) with a 40 year old heterosexual couple and I don’t think you will find much lower levels of commitment.