Why don’t you give us a few cites to see if your impressions match up with ours?
Are there any cites for really late abortions? Your study link was to yet another study that lumps in everything from 20 weeks on.
Not that I know of, but I’d be interested in it if someone did. In the meantime, some light reading:
At what point would you place your personal cutoff for “really late abortions”?
You mention why they aren’t seeking abortions after 20 weeks but not why they are. For example, is it a valid reason if they had so much troubling scheduling it earlier due to so many onerous restrictions and so few abortion clinics? For example, if you live several hundred miles from the nearest clinic and you’re required to make two visits with a waiting period between the visits, it might take some time to work that into an hourly job schedule.
In NY, it would be a piece of cake to get it done early, but Texas? Mississippi? May be difficult if you’re poor.
That is, if your main concern is late-term abortions. We all know that all those onerous restrictions are because those legislators want to ban abortion outright. One result will be more late term abortions, and then people can complain at the number of late term abortions. It’s all so disingenuous, just like Erick Erickson’s crocodile tears about the Virginia law. (To be clear, I’m not saying you’re being disingenuous – it’s those passing those laws)
The study said this:
The five “general profiles” offered were:
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Raising children alone
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Depressed or using illicit substances
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Conflict with male partner or domestic violence
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Trouble deciding and access problems
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Young and nulliparous
I am pro-choice, and I pretty much agree with this. Abortion should not be used as birth control. Once viability is reached, it is person. The only valid reason for a late term abortion is that the pregnancy threatens the mother’s life.
So, which one is not a good enough reason in your mind? Number 5? Number 4, except for the access problems part? Do you think access should be easier to avoid late term abortions?
I guess you’re not pro-choice then.
Anyway, how about severe deformities in the fetus? Threats to the mother’s health, such as a cancer diagnosis or possible loss of organs? What if the father dies and the mother no longer has any means of supporting herself, or even paying for the hospital bills to give birth? What if the fetus is viable but will likely only live for weeks due to some developmental defect?
Hey, OP, are you coming back? I think you should be defending your OP as well here. It’s your thesis that there should be zero restrictions, not mine.
Any and / or all of them.
No.
Perhaps (hopefully) he has realized it’s not a very good thesis.
So, are you anti-abortion/pro-life in general? If so, it seems like this isn’t the thread for you, since it was meant to be focused on late-term abortions.
Assuming you’re only against late-term abortions, why wouldn’t you want better access to early abortions? That will help avoid the late-term ones. In the Wiki article, about half said that problems scheduling the abortion accounted for their 16+ week abortion, so I don’t understand your “No” above.
If you’re just taking a pro-life position, I’m out.
Yes.
I felt like my posts were providing useful information focused on late-term abortions.
Not really. I thought all of those reasons were pretty much OK and basically what I expected (and pretty close to what I had already linked to in the Wiki article). So, those are the reasons – so what? And, your overall opinion on the subject made your answers nonsensical for someone whose concern was late-term abortions, like Typo Negative – to avoid that, you’d want easy access to early term, so your “No” above threw me.
Anyway, if the OP’s not coming back, I’m not either.
Well, if you waited a bit AHunter3 gives you an example.
And secondly … Good grief. I was explicitly not happy with absolutes. So yeah, I have trouble with them. No “sounds like” needed!
You seem to be getting too wound up here and not actually understanding things. Relax a bit.
Well, if you think the linked reasons are sufficient justification for a late-term abortion, then we are at an impasse. The point is that those reasons for a later-term abortion have nothing to do with fetal abnormalities or danger to the mother.
If a viable fetus is a child, and it is OK to abort it for reasons of convenience, that’s certainly a position.
Regards,
Shodan
Given that the reasons linked here are for 16+ weeks, and not 40ish weeks, then it would only make sense to base your arguments on what people at 40ish weeks are saying. If you were to take what someone at 16.5 weeks said, and imply that it is something that someone at 40ish weeks said, then that would be an extremely dishonest form of debate. You should do your best to avoid conflating those different things in the future.
Now, if I it is “okay” to get an abortion at 16 weeks, but not at 17, and I find out I am pregnant at 10 weeks, think about if for a week, then try to get the procedure done, but due to regulations put in by “pro-life” advocates, I am delayed from being able to have the procedure until after 16 weeks, then any ethical issues with aborting that fetus are on those who forced it to be that late, not on the person who was forced to wait.
So, if you want to avoid those ethical issues, then stop creating them.
Like many of the pro-choicers, I’m not in favor of all late term abortions being legal. I think of it as the “Apartment Analogy”.
There is someone in your apartment, you have the right to ask them to leave, you have the right to have the Sheriff show up and make them leave, even if they are physically incapable of living when outside your apartment. What you do not have the right to do is demand that the Sheriff shove them out a 10th story window, when they could have lived if you let them out the door.
I don’t think abortions for reasons of convenience prior to 16 weeks are “okay” either.
Which types of abortions do you think don’t fit into this category?
For starters, the aforementioned fraction that are sought for “reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment”
See posts 30, 42, and 44.
You should do your best to keep up with a thread as it develops.
Regards,
Shodan