No It’s a war of Theocrats vs. neo-fascist- theocrats fighting against the same God. More accurately it is fanaticist vs. fanaticist. Don’t seem that many just participants… they are all left hand black…against only the most biased of dogmas each way… it seems like we have almost emboggened us to that insane feud that has been going on in the mid-east for most of recorded history.
Yes because we throw acid in the face of girls who go to school and stone adulterers. :rolleyes:
What? I should bring up puppy killers and waterboards?! In my best Gleason.
Meh… fanaticists in every sect. As I commented on.
Yes because waterboarding is so comparable to indiscrimnate mass murder of civilians. :rolleyes:
Is one stoning worth a B-2 squadron silent bombing? What are you willing to trade? How much death will satisfy your venegence?
Not really. There are autocrats and theocrats and old fashioned despots in that region, but none of the countries or political movements against whom we are fighting, (or for whom we are fighting), actually match any serious definition of fascism.
I’m really not sure what devilsknew and you are rambling on about, but neither of you are actually much on topic for this thread, at this point, so much as just hurling barbs at each others’ opinions.
The US does not bomb for vengence, it does so carefully to root out terrorists and those of that ilk.
So you claim, untruthfully, that the U.S. incurs no “collateral” damage?
So we shouldn’t wage war because there might be collateral damage?
We shouldn’t wage war on bullshit terms. Period.
This is as much of an absurdity as gonzo’s attempt to make the Allies and the Axis moral equals. Possibly more so since you used to call yourself Curtis LeMay, so you can’t possibly be ignorant about the aims and effects of Allied strategic bombing during WW2. What do you imagine the actual Curtis LeMay’s goal was in shifting from high altitude HE day bombing of Japanese cities to low level night incendiary raids was? It was to set fire to all of those paper and wood houses in Japan, and the civilians inside them. As you are no doubt already aware, it was quite effective
You do no favor to the nobility of the Allies vis a vis the Axis by lying about how horrible the war was, or trying to deny that the mass murder of civilians is a goal in total war.
Dresden and Hamburg would like a word with you.
While I think most of the political movements in the Middle East defy the Left-Right paradigm, I don’t think it’s unfair to compare the Ba’athists of Syria or Saddam’s Iraq to fascists, though they always insisted they were “radical socialist republics”.
Admittedly, we’re not really fighting Syria.
In Japan, the factories and other manufacturing centres were spread out, thus any attempt to hit them resulted in destruction of the whole city.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like they could stop dropping bombs when they weren’t above factories. Makes sense.
BTW, bombing war factories ? That’s still blowing up civilians.
Are you really a Vietnam-vet? There are no other veterans that I respect as much as the Vietnam veterans. You did an amazing job in preventing the spread of Communism throughout Asia and maybe as far as Australia/NZ. It is not like the fools of WW2 who paved the way for economic Marxism in half of Europe and cultural Marxism in the other half.
- ‘This isn’t the Britain we fought for,’ say the ‘unknown warriors’ of WWII*
'This isn't the Britain we fought for,' say the 'unknown warriors' of WWII | Daily Mail Online
Oh really? Any attempt resulted in the destruction of the whole city? You do know how ridiculous that sounds, right? What I imagine you are trying to get at is that ~ half of the light industry in Japan was interspersed in residential areas, and that lighting them, their workers, their workers families, the guy who makes the worker’s lunch, the guy who makes the worker’s lunch’s family, etc. on fire would hurt the heavy industries they fed. That is total war, where the targeting of civilians is done. You don’t get to light 100,000 people on fire and burn half of a city to the ground and claim collateral damage. I don’t even get why you are trying to deny the reality of what was done. Those who did it were under no illusions about what they were doing. Here’s a bit from the Strategic Bombing Survey, note the bolded bits:
Urban area attacks, and destructive effect against Japanese cities. Not factories, not industries, the target of the attacks were the cities, the urban parts specifically.
Yeah, I can take credit for all that. It worked exactly as planned.
The winner makes the rules. We tortured and killed plenty of captured enemies. In Nam we wiped out villages and burned down farm land . Ever hear of Naphalm?