We are not horrible. We are just a government with lots of power exercising it. We are certainly guilty of doing some bad things to other governments.
FINN, the 911 operation was planned in Kuala Lampur, Indonesia, Hamberg, Germany and Miami Fla. Some say there were meetings in Montreal too. Which one of those is in Afghanistan?
Financing was from Pakistani ISI and Saudi Arabians. Which of those are in Afghanistan?
Oh wait, you have film of Arabs on monkeybars supposedly in Afghanistan from a much earlier period.
Gonz still confused. Gonz not understand “Minister of The Fence”. Not same as where plan. Not same as who give money. Am government. See? Guv-urn-mint.
See difference now, good. Glad to help. No need thank me. You have cookie now.
You tell more about bar for Syrian lemurs though. They have good cover charge? Nice music? Hard to have good bar no alcohol, Islam say monkey bars am bad, no drinking. Speakeasy monkey bars?
Have you, perhaps, heard of the Time Cube?
it is very sad for the world today , after ww2 the american soldiers were loved by the whole world . god bless america was a global phenomenon , the world worshiped america . now the most hated place is america , some people still love it as the land of the free , but for many others , america means death , death to their freedom , death to their wealth , death to their lives . now when people hear the american soldiers are coming , they shit themselves . they know their lives count for nothing to the american government , only their assets is important .
it is easy to support american soldiers , when it is not your family that is been slaughtered . when it is not your country that is being torn apart . the old heroes are no more , what a sad story
America. Fuck yeah.
you mentioned that your government might have done some bad things to other governments . iam not talking of governments , iam talking about human life , like the one you enjoy right now . millions killed , millions suffering , millions molested by the american government , by use of their troops . you can justify that , as long as it does not happen in your back door . because you think you are safe ,it will never happen in america . i hope you are right , because for every additional life lost in war is a tragedy to the human race
no can you explan the time cube to me , although iam going to check the internet now
The only problem with Domino Theory is that it was, not to put too fine a point on it, quite demonstrably bollocks. To whit, Viet Nam turned to Communism, took Laos and Cambodia with it (in no small ways because of the war) and that… was pretty much it. No spreadage.
That would be because while the people who formulated Domino Theory believed (or would have people believe) that there is such a thing as International Communism, there really is not. Hell, even China broke away from Soviet Russia as soon as WW2 was over, which had as much to do with the individual egomania of their respective rulers, and the historical enmity between both countries.
You misunderstand me. The joke is for you to be able to hold two completely opposite beliefs at once, to whit: that fighting the Vietnam war (or the Cold War in general) was justified because COMMUNIST DOMINOS OMG; but fighting WW2 was not justified. That’s doublethink on a level even old man Orwell would have been left speechless at. I guess Nazism wasn’t that bad, and Hitler toppling one country after another, enforcing fascist regimes as he went along, wasn’t Domino-ish in the least ?
Moreover, that BS coming from someone apparently convinced that the US have somehow set up a conspiracy to wash he pure brains of the Swedish people with… (cue in scary music):
"Cultural Marxism"!!! (definition not available at the moment)
is laughable all the way.
Or is it that you actually dont mind propaganda, as long as it goes your way?
when u check the internet, can u also check it to see if there are pictures of nude ladys on it somewhere?
txs
Hitler had to be stopped.
Saddam did not. He was not our responsibility and he only threatened his own people.
Bin Laden was not killed in Afghanistan, but in “our ally” and “friend” Pakistan.
Vietnam was a stupid and wrong war.
Iraq 2 was just as dumb.
These are not oops. They are killing and bombing, They are spending billions and destroying infrastructures and killing innocent civilians.
When we make mistakes, they have huge consequences.
Gonz, you explain monkey bars now please okay?
Bars have to card, check ID, or no alcohol. But monkeys not drive, no license, no ID. How they solve this problem?
ENOUGH!
If your opponent simply doesn’t get it, make your point in confidence that the rest of the Teeming Millions will understand and move on.
Any more shots at other posters and I will begin handing out Warnings.
(And the first poster that whines that he did not post a personal insult will get a second Warning for crass disingenuousness.)
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Man, you really ARE the evil one, Evil One.
I like it.
Logical fallacy. No US soldier in this century defended freedom or democracy for the US people.
Look at the freedoms infringed by the PATRIOT Act, the illegal acts of imprisonment in Gitmo: did US soldiers prevent this? No, they even aided this.
Soldiers fight battles by killing people. That’s all they do. They don’t even win or loose wars, because that is decided by politicians. And it’s politicians who decide afterwards what to do with the loosing state.
So nothing an US soldier does has a positive or negative effect on the freedoms the people in the US have or don’t have.
Maybe you have forgotten the way the Nisei were treated during WWII in the US, without provocation or cause? Or how after WWII, people were hunted by MacCarthy’s HUAC? So how did the military winning wars prevent these injustices and transgressions on rights and freedoms? How did fighting in Europe do away with segregation laws for blacks in the US?
HUAC was around long before McCarthy came to the US Senate and being a Senator, he had nothing to do with HUAC.
Also, while McCarthy made lots of irresponsible charges, I don’t think he had anyone “hunted down” and thrown in jail.
I’ve never understood why there’s such an obsession with “the Red scare” and people completely ignore “the Brown scare” during WWII where vastly more people were jailed or had their lives ruined because they were suspected of being fascists and Nazis.
That does not make it impossible that American soldiers elsewhere protected liberty.
As disastrous as the Iraq war was and as poorly as Afghanistan turned out, Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida did in fact present a real and material threat to Americans. They killed thousands of Amerians, and you can’t have your liberties any more stolen than being murdered. So in fact soldiers who were involved in the destruction of al-Qaida were defending the freedom of Americans, as they were actively destroying a force that sought to take freedom from Americans.
You can certainly argue that other American soldiers were involved in bad going-on in Guantanamo Bay but one doesn’t cause the other to cease to exist.
Again, this actually IS a failure of logic. Treating Japanese-Americans poorly does not eliminate good things that were done in the name of protecting the world from fascism or change the fact that millions of American soldiers were, in fact, fighting and dying to stop genuinely hideous tyrannies. The actual fact is that, like most countries, the USA and its institutions do both good and bad things.
The claim was that US soldiers protected liberties in the US. If a group of US citizens has their liberties taken away from them, than that claim is false.
And that US soldiers died “stopping tyrannies” was no guarantee that freedom and democracy would be brought to these countries; there was debatte among the Allied leaders up to the end what to do with postwar Germany. And the Eastern countries were handed over to Stalin and didn’t get any freedom or democracy. So US soldiers dying and fighting didn’t achieve that goal there, either.
Osama bin Laden and al-Quaida had nothing, repeat nothing, to do with the war against Hussein. **Neither Iraq nor Saddam was involved with 9/11. **
If American liberties are “stolen” every time a terrorist kills people, then Americans were unfree when Timothy McVeigh detonated a bomb. Or every time there’s a school shooting.
Soldiers trying to destroy a terrorist group like al-Quaida are simply unsuited for it. No other country wages a “War on Terror”, because a war on a noun is not possible. Ask the UK how trying to use soldiers to fight terror in Ireland turned out.
So no, there is no credible evidence that US soldiers killing people in Iraq did anything for the freedoms of the Americans in US; likewise, the Taliban regime in Afghanistan was not identical with Osama bin Laden, though they harboured him for a while.
I’m arguing that US citizens (along with others) had their rights taken away when they were taken illegally to Gitmo, and none of the heroic fighting of US soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan stopped the PATRIOT act. So the claim that US soldiers protect the freedoms and rights of US citizens is false. Unless you want to argue that everybody who is in Gitmo deserved (although that has been disproven) and that guilty people don’t need rights (as many Americans on this board argue).
Quit being a jerk.
The monkey bars are the films of Arabs with beards running through rudimentary obstacle courses in presumed anti American physical training. I saw the very film that has been used for years, today. If it has not penetrated your neck of the hinterlands, then you are ignorant of it.
I suppose that alarming film has galvanized us in fear of the physical abilities of those who can navigate monkey bars. I thought they were using guns.
But way back in the past, some Arabs were training is what is claimed Afghanistan. Those fabulously trained soldiers are long gone. But the film lives on in eternity scaring the easily terrified.
gonzomax, tomndebb already moderated the post you’re responding to. This is a warning for personal insults.