:rolleyes:
I had a hunch the OP was witch hunting. I’m glad you find my provocative post worthy of commenting. Which leaves me to conclude you find OP reasonable. Ah, well…
Another one…
Cite? 
Sure.
And in the typical fashion, also those wily Jews doing the exact opposite at the same time - here.
As to the op - I’ve also read fairly little about the effect on Israel, but sure it matters to everyone. An unstable unpredictable Egypt is another wild card which effects Gaza, arming of Hamas, possible direct conflicts between Israel and Egypt and from there an even wider conflagration. Thing is that most everyone wants a stable and predictable Egypt, apparently even the MB, but most importantly the military and most of the protestors. The protestors just want that stability without Mubarak and with free elections and a few jobs wouldn’t hurt.
I would say in UK medias that there is only tangential mention of Israel - and at an expected level. They are neighbours… The OP rather feels like a preemptive Monty Python kind of moment. Most discussion seems to be on wider meaning for Arab world.
In short, an appropriate level of discussion and if any blame is being mentioned it is more on the head of the US.
Although re Dseid, at least the pro Mubarek accusation makes some vague sense (not that one gives credence to it)
uhhhh… okay. So you want to make this about Israel.
AshenLady, please don’t repost entire articles, especially without clear attribution. In the future please use a short quote (a few paragraphs at most), making clear it’s a quote, and link to the rest.
Okay
The future’s uncertain, and the end is always near.
What if rebellion spreads to Syria? The Syrian people might find out that having a dictatorship for 50+ years hasn’t done much for their standard of living.
Getting rid of a crook like Assad is a pretty good thing.
I thought that Syria would be amongst the first to toss Assad out, along with all of his family, also. Syria is a horrible place, with a horrible standard of living. I hope they get the moxie to toss him out!
The people of Egypt have always despised the peace with Israel. It was never some popular sentiment that was expressed by the people which then led to former Egyptian leader Sadat to sign the peace treaty. Sadat had determined that war was costing Egypt too much in blood and money and decided as the head of state to sign it.
So the notion of a new regime chosen by a majority of the people begs the question of ‘what will happen now?’
Egypt led the fervor against Israel from 1948 to 1979, indeed there has never been a major war involving Israel against a nation with a standing army where Egypt wasn’t involved.
We almost went to WWIII in October of 1973 when the entire Egyptian Third Army had been cut off in the Sinai and Ariel Sharon had crossed the Suez into Egypt proper. The USSR was so worried about Egypt being overran by Israel that they threatened to physically intervene in the conflict unless it stopped.
I think there may be even a sort of nostalgia among the media to return to those horrible wars’ of '48,'56,'67,'73. Conventional wars are much easier to report then suicide bombings and scaled back incursions, etc. As Bill Maher aptly refers to this type of coverage “Disaster Porn”, 24 hour coverage of a news event until it wears out.
The military does not want a war with Israel and is unlikely to allow any government that would cause one to have power, democratically elected or not. They seem to have veto power.
Most of the people of Egypt have never known anything but peace with Israel, having been born after it was established.
Familiarity does not prevent contempt.
Well, is there some reason to think the new generation of Egyptians would want to tangle with Israel again? Have any of them said so? What would they gain by it?
I know there are Israelis and Americans speculating about what the Egyptians think; is there anything solid to hang that on?
Anti-Semitism is rampant in Egyptian media and anti-Israel sentiment is not uncommon. We did have a poster (Vegamite Lover or something of the sort), who claimed to be working in Egypt and that support for a new war with Israel was popular, IIRC.
I’m not sure how accurate the polls or popular culture is in Egypt, but I don’t think that it’s impossible that Egyptian society can undergo a sea change, and even more moderate elements like Elbardei oppose blockading Hamas.
Hopefully Egypt can achieve freedom and stability without sparking a new Hamas-Israel war or igniting a pan middle east war. But as of yet, the dice have been cast but not stopped spinning.
What I find surprising is this sudden thirst for democracy amongst the Egyptians when they haven’t shown much interest in the idea for virtually all of their history.
Do they truly want genuine democracy ?
Or do they just want a regime change so that they can get their chance to put their snouts in the trough ?
I don’t believe in corruption unless its me being corrupted ?
With the exception of Israel there has never been any real desire for Western style democracy in the M.E.
If Muburak goes then the Egyptians might all too soon find out what it is like to live under a REAL tyranny.
We saw the same idiocy, especially amongst Western liberals, when the Iranians started demonstrating against the Shah.
The Oxford Union (of students)I believe, voted Ayatollah Khomeni “Man of the Year” .
Ask the Iranians how happy they are under their present, seemingly unoustable regime.
The Egyptians are looking for a fairy tale ending , lets hope that they get it.
Yes. As referenced in another thread, this Pew poll.
Overall as many have unfavorable as favorable views of Hamas. 46% feel that suicide bombing in never justified and another 34% say “rarely”.
Polls show a solid plurality think that Israel is an enemy and not a friend of Egypt and that the needs of the Palestinians require Israel being gone.
FWIW.