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Do you really not know why the Republicans are demonizing Obama? Because he is another Bill Clinton and minor slings and arrows will have no effect on his campaign.
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[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Actually, it’s more a matter of them being moral cripples, lunatics, and liars.
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I don’t know about that. I suspect it’s just all they’ve got, because the Republicans have been campaigning on such nonsense as flag pins, anti-flag burning amendments, “family values,” and the like for so long that they are afraid to actually engage Obama on real issues like the war, the economy, energy policy, etc.
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Actually, it’s more a matter of them being moral cripples, lunatics, and liars.
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Does that include Republicans who post on the SDMB?
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Well, because in the case of Bush it appears to be true ? With the track record and body count to prove it. As opposed to the kind of kooky accusations thrown at Clinton and Obama.
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We don’t agree on a lot of things, DT, but you hit this one right on the head.
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Actually, it was more a matter of telling Bush Senior that if his made a campaign issue of it, Clinton would make Bush’s mistress a campaign issue.
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The above statement is a falsehood, of course. Remarkably, it comes from someone labeling others as “moral cripples, lunatics and liars”.
[QUOTE=Saint Cad]
Back in 1992, the Democrats nominated Bill Clinton whose previous national exposure was a heavily ridiculed speech given four years earlier at the DNC. This guy’s nickname was Slick Willie because scandal slid right off of him. Even before the election he was caught up in a sex scandal with Genifer Flowers that everyone convienently ignored because the guy had charisma, mojo, whatever you call it. Even as president when he got caught committing perjury, the same charges that got Judge Claiborne impeached and convicted a few years earlier, his cult of personality trivialized the entire incident as just getting a blowjob and the same senators that overruled Claiborne’s objection that perjury was NOT impeachable and convicted him turned right around and said that in Clinton’s case perjury was NOT impeachable and acquitted him on the charges. Did anyone care about this Demo turnaround? Fuck no!!! Because it was the Republicans who were the bastards, not Good Ol’ Boy Bill.
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No doubt Bill did some stupid shit and perjury is a crime. IMO his affair with Monika never should have seen the light of day. With all the serious issues we have to deal with in this country the president’s sexual indiscretions isn’t something we need to spend our time and resources on. IMO those who spent so much time focusing their energies on his BJ , which led to the perjury, did a much greater disservice to the country than Bill did. If you want to beat the opposing party then beat them on the issues that affect the citizens you represent.
No, they’re making themselves look like assholes for creating issues where there are none, and being dishonest while they’re doing it. They’re making themselves look like assholes for using the same tactics that were used to get Bush into office. People remember what their reward was for falling for that bullshit. I think, and sincerely hope, the days of any trashy thing goes because it’s politics are being rejected by the public. Beat your opponent on the issues and by being smarter in managing your campaign. Spreading poisonous bullshit might just backfire.
Or because that’s all they’ve got considering how badly Bush has sullied the republican name. Republicans need to seriously clean house and return some integrity to their public image. Instead McCain keeps flipping on issues and becoming more Bush like.
I have some conservative leanings of my own and would love to see some honest discussion about the issues and realistic solutions. The first step is to reject slash and burn dishonest politics and insist our leaders address the real issues. So far, Obama has the lead in that regard.
[QUOTE=Shodan]
The above statement is a falsehood, of course. Remarkably, it comes from someone labeling others as “moral cripples, lunatics and liars”.
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Hardly. Clinton backing Bush down like that was pretty well known at the time, to people who were paying attention. Clinton knew he was up against a Bush - in other words, an amoral, dishonorable scumball who’d descend to any depth. So, he was all ready for them when Bush inevitably decided to go for the sex scandal tactic. It’s not like it would occur to a Republican NOT to be sleazy.
[QUOTE=Shodan]
The above statement is a falsehood, of course. Remarkably, it comes from someone labeling others as “moral cripples, lunatics and liars”.
[QUOTE=cosmosdan]
Of course? Why of course?
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Because otherwise he’d have to admit that the Republicans are hypocrites who do exactly what they accuse others of ?
[QUOTE=Cisco]
Absolutely no doubt. I just found it interesting the way you worded it. Like that was the conclusion you wanted readers to reach, but you didn’t want to be the one to say it.
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I didn’t reach it, I assumed it, as any reasonable person would, and stated it as the most obvious explanation, but wondered if there might be something more in play; thought I made that clear enough.
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Because otherwise he’d have to admit that the Republicans are hypocrites who do exactly what they accuse others of ?
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I thought we had already established that with Gingrich. Still, I note that repeating rumors without offering any evidence doesn’t make it factual. So far it’s just a story without evidence. It may be false, I just wondered about the “of course” rather than asking for a cite.
[QUOTE=Shodan]
The above statement is a falsehood, of course. Remarkably, it comes from someone labeling others as “moral cripples, lunatics and liars”.
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Shodan, if you want to sneak accusations of lying past the Moderators, you are going to have to change your language to “that statement is false.” Using the word “falsehood” makes it an accusation of lying and will not be permitted.
It’s strange that I’ve never heard that particular tidbit before- I thought I was pretty plugged in.
Is there any contemporary account of Clinton “backing down” Bush with a scandal of HW’s own? Is there any credible evidence that HW had an affair? I was a fledgling conservative then, so I may have ignored it out of confirmation bias.
I always kind of thought of the elder Bushes as asexual grandparents, even when HW was president.
Could you post that in the sticky so that no one gets the idea that it is a completely arbitrary distinction you pulled out of your ass? Thanks in advance.
OK, with that in mind -The statement is false, of course. Remarkably, it comes from someone labeling others as “moral cripples, lunatics and liars”.
[QUOTE=stolichnaya]
It’s strange that I’ve never heard that particular tidbit before- I thought I was pretty plugged in.
Is there any contemporary account of Clinton “backing down” Bush with a scandal of HW’s own? Is there any credible evidence that HW had an affair? I was a fledgling conservative then, so I may have ignored it out of confirmation bias.
I always kind of thought of the elder Bushes as asexual grandparents, even when HW was president.
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It was an open secret in Washington at the time that Poppy had a mistress named Jennifer Fitzgerald. He was also alleged to have had numerous other dalliances but was successful in cowing the press from talking much about it. But yeah, he was every bit the horn dog that Clinton was, but IOKIYAR.
[QUOTE=stolichnaya]
It’s strange that I’ve never heard that particular tidbit before- I thought I was pretty plugged in.
Is there any contemporary account of Clinton “backing down” Bush with a scandal of HW’s own? Is there any credible evidence that HW had an affair? I was a fledgling conservative then, so I may have ignored it out of confirmation bias.
I always kind of thought of the elder Bushes as asexual grandparents, even when HW was president.
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You didn’t see the video of him patting Teri Hatcher’s ass recently? link
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
It was an open secret in Washington at the time that Poppy had a mistress named Jennifer Fitzgerald. He was also alleged to have had numerous other dalliances but was successful in cowing the press from talking much about it. But yeah, he was every bit the horn dog that Clinton was, but IOKIYAR.
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well there ya go.
According to that article it did come out during the campaign. Am I reading that right?