Why the hate for Elon Musk?

Too bad he dropped the ball in the second half, huh? :smiley:

Tweets from Jul 7 and Jul 10? Seriously? The first one has the wrong time stamp, by the way - the kids weren’t rescued until the 10th.

He called out the ‘pedo guy’ in a since-deleted tweet on Jul 15th - well after the congratulatory tweet after he didn’t get the attention he wanted out of the situation.

Try harder next time.

I don’t know what you’re accusing me of, all I did was cut and paste the twitter links. Take it up with the forum software if the timestamps don’t match. Jesus.

Why do you think it was because “he didn’t get the attention he wanted out of the situation” instead of Unsworth telling him to shove his submarine up his ass on a CNN interview?

I personally think it’s sweet that some people believed that Musk actually wanted to help and save people.

Either way, was calling him “pedo guy” an appropriate, adult response?

Likewise, I don’t know why anyone would waste time defending the “Pedo Guy” incident (including hiring an investigator to try to dig up dirt on someone who said your idea was dumb) instead of just sticking with “Satellites are neat” and “Yay electric cars”

I believe I said it was the exact opposite.

You were quibbling over why he said that. You were not saying it was inappropriate to say.

Apparently Elon Musk is the greatest boon to technology since Al Gore invented the Internet. :wink:

I’ve said a lot about his reaction to the interview in this thread and I don’t believe I’ve ever said it was appropriate.

But you apparently don’t think that anybody should dare to criticize or mock it in any stronger terms than merely calling it “a childish reaction” (if absolutely forced to acknowledge it).

Cite? I don’t care to defend his reaction to the interview. I’m just pointing out the weird position of criticizing him for that and therefore somehow this proves his effort to save these kids was idiotic and self-serving. It doesn’t follow.

Who exactly is trying to argue that Musk’s “pedo guy” assholery is what “proves” anything about his attempt to get involved with the cave rescue? I reread the thread and didn’t see an example of such a claim.

Mind you, as many other posters have pointed out with detailed cites, there are a lot of idiotic and self-serving things that Musk demonstrably has done, including the “pedo guy” remark itself. It is not irrational or unrealistic to infer that those tendencies are probably among the major motivations of his behavior in general.

I mean, you started your participation in this thread back in post #14 by whining that people should “admire” Musk’s “drive”, but “instead they’ll always find something to exaggerate to make him seem like an asshole”. And you’ve been riding that false dichotomy ever since: according to you, there appears to be no middle ground between the options of (a) Musk being a total talentless loser and (b) anybody’s criticisms of Musk as a self-aggrandizing asshole being merely “exaggeration” and “hatred based on misinformation” and “misrepresented at best, completely false at worst” and similar kvetches.

Can you really not accept that Musk can be both a self-aggrandizing asshole and somebody with a level and type of “drive” that is in some ways admirable? You don’t have to keep excusing and downplaying his asshole behavior to justify regarding him as an important figure in 21st-century technology and capitalism.

Can we add “buying a seat on Twitter’s board of directors” to the list of reasons to hate him?

Everyone is capable of being an asshole and I don’t put Musk above that. If you’ve read the thread you’ll know my main theme is pointing out untruths that someone could conclude from reading headlines but when actually diving into the facts (usually in the articles themselves) the truth is different than what is summarized. Fighting ignorance. How can you conclude that I think Musk is some sort of saint that can do no wrong when I’ve never wrote anything resembling that feeling?

Count the times a poster has claimed as a fact that Musk didn’t consult w/ anyone involved in the rescue operation.

Read the e-mail exchange between Musk and the co-leader of the diving team that rescued the kids,

See?

Not as different as you’re trying to make out. Your continual attempts to portray Musk as no more of a self-aggrandizing asshole than the average person don’t stand up to scrutiny.

The email exchange you mention doesn’t say anything about any technical consultation providing specific information about what was needed to make an actually useful rescue vehicle for this situation. Just “keep doing whatever you can because it might come in useful”. That’s not the sort of “consultation” that Musk’s critics here (or at the time) were complaining about the lack of.

I mean, geez, nate. It’s like you can grasp the idea of ill-informed “haters” being unfair to Musk but can’t grasp the idea of credulous boosters and enthusiasts (including Musk himself) working to put the best possible spin and polish on his image. If anybody claims anything bad about Musk’s actions then it must be just “ignorance” and “hatred”, but anything Musk claims about his own actions must be swallowed unquestioningly with the most flattering possible interpretation.

Yeah, nobody’s saying that. Again, the disconnect between the way you’re spinning this conversation and its observed reality is glaring.

What everybody is pointing out here is not that you “think Musk is some sort of saint that can do no wrong”, but that you are determined to reject all evidence that Musk might be any less saintly or more prone to wrong actions than the average run of people. According to you, anything positive about Musk must be taken at Musk’s own high valuation and deserves “admiration”, whereas anything negative about Musk is merely normal human fallibility which can be situationally excused by his being “on the spectrum” or angry about somebody else’s “shit-talking” or whatever.

This is hype. You’re not fighting ignorance, you’re spreading ignorance (albeit of a type that the population in this thread seems to be pretty resistant to). Just accept that Musk can be both a self-aggrandizing asshole and an important figure in 21st-century technology and capitalism, and let it go.

So he can add the “edit” function nate so desperately needs to make the story add up.

Does he ever do anything that isn’t self-serving?

I’m sure he visited New Jersey during his years at Penn. :wink: