The Onion hits the nail on the head!
White English South African culture is no more “hypermasculine” than the Canada he moved to or the America he now is in.
No, you posted a link stating that Musk tweeted, alongside his personal musings about solutions, that he would send a team of engineers. Here’s one saying that the design was influenced by a team who’d been to Thailand, but also that Musk was doing redesign based on feedback from Twitter and hadn’t even gotten the sub to Thailand by the time other methods were in use getting the boys out.
So he wasn’t coordinating with the real rescue operation and his engineers were either incompetent or overruled by a Musk acting exactly like we are criticizing him for.
In case anyone missed it, Musk is considering starting his own social network.
The usual complaint about “free speech”, just like certain other people who’ve been banned from Twitter. Musk has not been banned, but as a CEO of a major corporation, his tweets are scrutinized by the SEC much more than your average person.
I got news for you Mr Musk. Moving to a new platform will not reduce the scrutiny you face.
Classic whattaboutism. Don’t think about the real question at hand just point fingers at other people.
It’s important to identify and call out whattaboutism asap, so we can all ignore it and move on with the discussion at hand.
You want to talk about H.C?, there is no one stopping you from starting a thread about her.
I honestly don’t know what point you’re trying to make. I read the article. It describes Musk as working to find a solution to save lives. I just don’t get the hindsight hate on him for trying something that ended up not being needed. It’s weird.
I don’t think that whattaboutism describes my analogy of the way Musk is treated by haters is the same way Hillary is treated by the right. Whattaboutism is excusing the behavior of your “side” by pointing out that someone at some point on the other “side” did something similar. I don’t see how I’m doing that?
What is weird is you rearranging reality into this strawman, again.
He’s not getting hindsight hate for trying something that ended up not being needed. He’s getting scorn for the way he went about it, chiefly how he reacted to criticism. You keep just editing the “calling someone a pedophile, doubling down on it being true, rather than petty childishness, and claiming he’d hire investigators to prove it” out of the conversation.
The conversation turns to quibbling about whether his was a worthwhile attempt at helping only once someone claims the attempt justifies the outrageous inability to take criticism, because few people have the willpower to acknowledge this means they are talking to someone with a faulty moral compass and should just walk away.
This thread is about Musk, how is it not obvious to you that bringing Hillary into the discussion is textbook whataboutism?
He very publicly announced he would help (with some harebrained scheme). When the people working on the problem said “thanks, but no thanks” he lashed out, slandering those actually doing stuff (and knowing what they were doing) then he hired a fucking PI to substantiate his slander. — is this the hill you’re picking?
He (and his employees) has zero experience building submarines or rescue equipment. why would you think the “offer” to “help” was anything but a cheap publicity stunt?
Musk makes more money in crypto piramides than he does selling cars— publicity is his primary source of income. So not only a cheap stunt; also very cynical.
Textbook Whataboutism in the service of peak Fanboism wrapped up in Deep Denial.
To be fair to nate he didn’t write “Hillary is terrible, so why are you after Musk”, he stated in too many words “This pursuit of Musk is just like the Right’s pursuit of Hillary”. Still a bad argument, but not whataboutism.
I see a band name, an album title, and a track title there. Not necessarily in that order.
Yeah, I’ll try that. With a side of slaw. What sauces do you have? Got any relish?
Wait… what? Your post was this:
…and it didn’t mention anything about reaction to criticism. You were criticizing him for a failed attempt at helping to save lives.
My views on Musk’s reaction to Unsworth’s equally shitty behavior on CNN is posted elsewhere in this thread.
Unsworth criticized Musk for a solution that was misconceived and had zero chance of working from the beginning, because Musk had never bothered to find out the actual details of the situation.
What Unsworth said was the truth.
Musk then made a serious criminal allegation against him, which was totally false, because his petty little ego was hurt.
Equally shitty? 
If you literally believe that Elon’s shit doesn’t stink, then…
After reading this whole thread, I am left with one serious question…
Have @nate and Elon Musk ever been seen in the same room together? 
From an article on “social media influencers” in The Economist:
“Their staying power suggests that (influencers) add value in several ways. They can save money: Elon Musk is an honorary influencer whose raucous online presence lets Tesla do without any conventional advertising (General Motors blew $3.3bn on it in 2021). Influencers’ networks reach new audiences, particularly younger shoppers. Global brands can localise their appeal by cutting deals with them.”
There is madness. But there is method.
The issue I take with this, as I’ve stated several times in this thread, is that contemporaneously Musk’s plan was not ridiculed or hated on. It’s only in hindsight that this opportunity is available. It’s the fact that a more simple solution proved to work out that the public can look back and say “well that was a dumb solution that had no chance to work! Everyone knew that! This was just a PR stunt for Musk!” But anyone not blinded by hatred of Musk would remember what actually happened. Some of you guys won’t even read the SDMB thread that I linked above that was an account of the story in real-time to see that Musk’s effort wasn’t shitted on but actually encouraged.
I’ve been reading/participating in the SDMB since 1998 or so after clicking on a link form bored.com. I truly believe it has influenced me in part into what I am today. From my experience here I don’t understand the resistance to actually dive into claim’s about Musk’s actions that cause a such a revulsion. but at the same exact time advance claims like they are true. To me, it seems like you guys probably don’t like some headlines you’ve seen about it, that’s shaped your opinion, but you never really took the time to read the articles, or the linked source articles, and so on… but why would you? Who would actually care to dive that deep? Who would care? Why do I care? I don’t know! Why do I put forth the effort to debunk some claims about him? I don’t know! But I want to believe it’s to fight ignorance in the one place I know that would appreciate that.
Not true. There’s a difference between what the general public thought at the time, and what the experts on the ground could have told him at the time, if they had been asked.
Either he didn’t even bother to ask them if it would work, or he ignored what they told him. Either way it was a publicity stunt.
Musk’s idea was not a solution at all. It simply could not work.