Mostly agreed. When speaking of the God and Goddess, capital. I tend to invoke Athena in ritual work but then it would be goddess Athena. Goddess is not her name, Athena is, so that gets the capital.
In the contemporary protestant faiths I am familiar with, God’s name is…wait for it…“God”. It’s His proper name. It’s not a stand-in for another word or spelling.
If confusion with Jesus (also God) and the Holy Ghost (also God) is a problem, they call the other third of the Trinity “God the Father”. He is a triple threat.
Yahweh, YHWH, Jehovah, Elohim, etc., are considered historic or former or alternate names for God. The God. The One whose name is God. Accept no sustitutes.
I capitalize it in that sense, as I would capitalize the Q and P in the titles of Queen Elizabeth and President Obama, or even the M in Mister Antinor. But I’m not willing to go outside and fight over it or anything.
Ah, so God is his name AND it’s a title… like Judge Reinhold!
Your way makes sense as well.
These explanations all make sense as I can see the historic context in which they were developed. However, one thing still nags at me: Who came up with these semantics? Does God himself have any rules on how his name is to be written? To the poster who wrote that people were not supposed to pronounce Elohim or Yahweh, did God tell that to people? Whats the punishment if you do?
This is simply not true, and was certainly not written as “The One whose name is God”.
It may have been copied wrong, and subsequently translated wrong, but it wasn’t written that way.
ETA: A “stand in” is exactly is what it is/was.
I fail to see your point. Are you saying my observations about growing up in a fundamental Christian family are inaccurate? Are you misunderstanding me? I take back nothing I said. Other families and environments may be different, but I experienced a handful of Christian protestant environments (Presbyterian, Lutheran, Episcopalian, non-demoninational Christian, Baptist and Quakers) and, to the best of my recollection, that was the way it was.
God was the name for God. Yahweh, Elohim and others were mentioned, historical and biblical, but not contemporary names. “Our Father” might be considered a substitute for God’s name, but God wasn’t a substitute for anything.
It was quite different from a Jewish experience, which I was introduced to much later in life. I found the contrast quite interesting.
But those proper names (Jesús, Manuel) are also capitalized when they refer to, say, my classmate Jesús Cristo or to Manolo García…
The capitalized God is a proper name.
Exodus 3:14-15:
14 God said to Moses, "I am who I am . ** This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ " (Some versions have “I am that I am.”)
15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered from generation to generation.
God has quite a long name (”'The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob"), which apparently has been shortened to the nickname, “God,” such as Algernon would be shortened to “Al.” Or he has a very short name, “I AM.” But he doesn’t go by “I AM” much anymore.
I don’t think he’s ever actually identified himself with a name as we know it; he’s used more descriptives, like “Baker” or “Smith” became actual names through use. So I tend to think “God” is his job that became what we use as his name. Just my two cents.
And God only knows who decided what words to capitalize.
No, more like Major Major
Something Ive been pondering for awhile
Doesnt the bible kinda say theres more than one god?
its:
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
Not: “Im the only one.”
So its God because were meaning this God not just any god.
While I personally believe that yes, it does, the more common (and Christian) interpretation is that it’s warning against idolatry. Not in the sense of worshiping statues, but in the sense of making anything in your life - money, food, working out, politics, your job, even your family - more important than God. Putting anything else before God, making gods of mundane nongodlike things, is Bad, mmm’kay?
to have another god, is to worship another god. That needn’t mean said god exists. If your boss says “and I don’t want you working at any other business”, and you ask, “not even JP Flannigans?” Lol you get my point. JP flannigans (i assume) doesn’t exist. But you serve your boss, and your boss exclusively, regardless of what nonentities you believe in.
I assume that to be a simple reading of that passage, although I’m sure there are scholars who say that the Pentateuch refers to other gods as though they do in fact exist.
What I’m saying is that God’s name is not “God”, any more than your name is “man” or “woman.”
I don’t doubt your observations, and I don’t [think] I’m misunderstanding you.
However, God’s name is"Yahweh"; or some close variation of it, and rendered most commonly as “Jehovah” in English.
In the bible texts where “God”, “Sovereign Lord” or “Lord” appear in your bible they are in fact “stand ins”; replacements for the name Yahweh which is the proper name of God, and the name that appeared in the original text.
Musicat, the raindog is a Jehovah’s Witness. They have very definite ideas about the name of their god.
The “you should not have any other businesses” also rather assumes there are in fact other businesses out there looking to get my attention.
If in fact there were no other businesses my boss would have no need to tell me.
unless he was a real dick, but then I rather think he would say something like. “Im the only god… ehm… boss there is… and dont you forget it…”
Timeout.
For the purpose of this discussion, I’ll gladly assume the position of atheist and invite you, as well, to share your thoughts on the subject.
The simple fact is, in the original texts the name “God”, “Sovereign Lord”, or “Lord” did not appear. If Musicat wishes to take the position that “my church taught me that”, or that it appears as “God” (etc) in his translations, you’ll have no argument from me.
However, every single Christian denomination I’m aware of would not claim that God’s name was actually “God.”
I don’t think this is relevant to the capitalization question though. To take a different tack - Anh Quang Cao was just elected as a representative from Louisiana. People call him Joseph. Joseph is properly capitalized even though it is not his “actual” name. The same rule holds even if the person wasn’t called that contemporaneously, or doesn’t ask to be called it. If you have a friend who you call “Biff” you would capitalize it, even if it’s not his name. The general rule is that when using a name to indicate a specific person, it’s a proper noun and should be capitalized.
You asked if the original bible told to capitalize God’s name. No, it didn’t; the original bible was in hebrew. Us Israelis don’t need to capitalize! AND we have less letters! (But we have vowels under the letters, so…)