But lest Ibn pretend I have no evidence…
Cesar Chavez’ brother Manuel and UFW members were the original “Minutemen.” They guarded the border, calling it “The Wet Line.” They used physical force to keep Mexicans from crossing the border.
I never questioned your claim that Chavez used the term “wetback” or that he objected to the use of strikebreakers.
I objected to your categorization of Mexican immigrants as “foreign scabs”.
Clearly, he was American. Could you produce a cite that he wasn’t also Mexican? He was clearly ethnically Mexican (his mother and his paternal grandparents were from Chihuahua), and so it looks like he would also have been a Mexican citizen through his mother. Mexican citizens who are ethnically Mexican are generally considered Mexican.
Whether he identified as such is another matter.
The floor is yours- are they not foreign or are they not scabs?
At this point, I should acknowledge something: while “foreign scab” is an ugly term, I am one of the few Dopers who has had real, live foreign scabs in my own family.
And no, I’m not referring to the Hispanic memebrs of my family. White foreign scabs. Of the Irish variety.
Ireland wasn’t always the Celtic TIger, you know. In the Seventies and Eighties, I had numerous cousins and uncles from Ireland who came to America and got jobs illegally at bars, restaurants or construction sites.
If (hypothetically) electricians union member Pat Finnegan, a third generation Irish American, found out that one of my non-union Irish cousins was working on a major building project, you think he’d have welcomed my cousin warmly as a fellow Irishman? Or would he have viewed my cousin as a foreign scab trying to steal a job from an American union member?
Actually, even without the Executive Order, the current incoming kids have been sheltered from deportation by a bi-partisan bill signed in 2001, the DREAM Act. INS and its related courts are currently so overwhelmed by the sheer numbers that it is taking up to two years merely to get a kid into court to be deported.
I would not say that DACA has had no effect, but it is not the primary cause of the current crisis regarding young people. Obama’s E.O. addressed kids who had already been in the country for many years, being brought in as infants or very yong children, and who have been effectively assimilated. The huge numbers of current kids are not actually affected by the E.O., but are waiting due process thanks to the bi-partisan, Bush-signed, law from over a decade ago.
This sort of re-writing of others’ posts does not promote discussion. Nothing in Astorian’s post linked (all) Mexicans or even all Mexican immigrants to “foreign scabs.” His reference was specifically to immigrants taking non-union jobs that replaced union workers (or workers attempting to organize).
Stick to addressing what was actually posted.
That was not true when Chávez was born. His father would have had to have been a Mexican citizen, not his mother. He could have petitioned for Mexican citizenship at a later time in his life but not in his youth or early adulthood.
Please tell me this was a joke.
Just clarify this one question and answer, a lot of the harvesting is done by people who come to Canada as Temporary Foreign Workers under the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Program. In 2008 to 2010 (the most recent years that I can find info for), an average of 24,000 workers entered each year, about 2/3 from Mexico and the rest from various Caribbean countries. SAWP workers can stay for up to 8 months before returning home, and can reapply the next year, and are not subject to the 4 year maximum cumulative work time applicable to most other temporary workers.