Yes, but all three of these occur according to the diligence of the officials responsible for them in normal and orderly times. Do you assume that it is impossible, under emergency conditions of a global health threat, for any of those to be tightened up just by circulating a memo?
You can’t say that the diligence of a quarantine would have been enforced all these year, when there was no quarantine order in place. I cited my own example of authorities in an African nation setting up a quarantine literally within hours.
Well neither is western Europe, which you mentioned in the post I was referring to. I was simply pointing out another location from which the US might have to ban flights, were they inclined to do so.
I really don’t get the motivation for your snark, but that’s fine. I’ll not annoy you further.
Please do not make assertions in the General Questions on something you know nothing about.
The Senegal and the Cote d’Ivoire have maintained a cordon sanitaire with the effected countries that are bordering them and have in the case of the Senegal managed to more effectively control the one case of traveller Ebola, brought by a student from the Guineau Conakry, who not only was identified but he lived, unlike the Liberian that came to the United States.
The ignorant statements in this forum about the African countries and about the Africa in general are not necessary.
Stay away from us.
Do you pretend to speak to the 2011 cholera problem? Please do provide your evidences of the claim about what the actions around it and even specifically about Mopti. Be aware you are not speaking to an American who knows nothing.
I question what is the purpose of a travel ban other than serving a panic and blind fear? In Bruxelles there is normal service and controls. But the Belgians, they are used to serving Africa and are not so ignorant and fearful of Africa.
I don’t think future wars will be conventional wars like in the past.I see future wars more like.
1 Biowarfare
2 cyber attack/Key infrastructure and communication.
3 guerrilla warfare
4.Navy seals type cross hybrid of guerrilla type.
5.terrorism and terrorists
6.And hybrid of terrorism, terrorists guerrilla type attacks in more army type Navy seal.
Unless China or Russia pumps bullion money into the army to be like the US or better I don’t see them fighting like a conventional war.
If the US army is not ready for these types wars than we are doomed.
And 50 or 100 years out things like swarm robots ,killer robots , robots and drones fighters.
No, Sir, it was 1970. I regret that there is not an exhaustive body of material on the internet that I can cite which confirm my own personal experiences. You may take them as lies if you wish, that is your prerogative. but it is better if you refrain from publicly stating that they are lies.
Cholera was poorly understood in those times, and it was not unusual for local quarantine zones to be set up when there were cholera breakouts.
I do not refrain from stating that you make statements that are not matching what I know of the practices and capacity after the coup d’état of Traoré. The claim that the city of Mopti was so effectively closed off, in **1970… it is not credible to me. **
I ask again for your confirmations of the strong claims you made. If you say this based on only a vague recollection of decades past, of your own memory, then you should make such clear. You implied some recent knowledge.
And cholera, it was not poorly understood in 1970 from the point of view of public transmissions, why do you make this claim?
The fact that your family is from Mali has no effect on the facts that I observed and briefly summarized. Nor your credence of events that occurred before you were born – have you ever even been in Mali, yourself? I made the source of my information perfectly clear, stating that I was there to observe it first hand. Those facts do not cease to exist merely because nobody posted them in peer-reviewed academic journals.
In 1970, it was widely held that vaccination against cholera was effective (it was not), and it was not well known that cholera could be treated effectively with very simple medical field procedures, readily available even in a city like Mopti. Twenty years later, I was in areas with known cholera cases, where there was no quarantine, but only local public health advisories, which effectively quelled the outbreaks without any panics.
British Airways cancelled all flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone way back in August, and the UK government has forbidden the German-owned Gambia Bird airline to fly into Heathrow from Sierra Leone.
Air France cancelled service to Sierra Leone, at the request of the French government. It has continued flights to Guinea, although its flight attendants’ union is calling for those flights to stop. There were some early reports of cabin crew refusing to work flights to the affected countries.
Brussels Airlines continues to fly, although it no longer allows crew changes or overnight stays in the affected countries.
Passengers meeting whatever criteria are screened in London, Paris, and Brussels.
The NYT recently ran an article, “In Europe, Fear of Ebola Exceeds the Actual Risks.” The Daily Beast ran an article, “Ebola-Fueled Racism Is on the Rise in Europe.” In Spain, medical staff protested at one point outside the hospital where the Ebola fatality and the secondary infection of the nurse occurred, calling for the resignation of Spain’s health minister. And, of course, Spanish authorities killed the nurse’s dog.
Yes, I do assume that it is impossible that merely circulating a memo will cause all of the officials responsible to immediately become super-diligent and super-honest and super-effective.
No, there hasn’t been a general quarantine, but there have been laws and regulations and policies about border controls, and those laws/regulations/policies are routinely honored in the breach, even in relatively sophisticated countries.
Meanwhile, there have been small and localized quarantines. For example, back in August the Liberian government quarantined the neighborhood of West Point, a slum district of Monrovia, for ten days. Local media reported that the soldiers and police officers enforcing emergency conditions during a global health threat accepted bribes to allow people and goods to flow in and out through the checkpoints. You are expecting “just by circulating a memo” to change that?!?
Then I refuse to accept anything you claim about Mali based on your many, many personal experiences, unless you can cite records that match your assertions. What you personally know from experience is of no credibility, according to your own argument. You have a very roundabout way of calling me a liar, although it amounts to the same thing.
