Why vote?

Factual Questions
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With the U.S. presidential race looming in the near future, can someone give me a compelling reason to vote? I just can’t justify wasting my time to go to the ballot box. The simple fact is my vote doesn’t matter. With 200,000,000 eligible voters in the country, the decision will not turn on a single vote. I’ll bet that there has never been a presidential election where an Electoral College vote was decided by less than a 10,000 vote margin. Why waste my time?

Let me quickly try to refute some reasons that that people may come up with:

  1. It’s your duty as a citizen.
    Why? It is my duty as a citizen to obey the law. That is pretty much where my duties as a citizen end. If I choose to be a totally non-productive member of society and contribute nothing to the economic, social or political landscape, such is my prerogative. There is nothing forcing a citizen of the United States to participate in any aspect of society.

  2. Well, it’s your duty as a moral human being.
    That depends on what you consider the ultimate goal of a moral human being to be. Once you identify a goal we can debate how the act of voting contributes to that goal. For instance, if the goal of a moral human being is to make the world a better place to live, and you can convince me that making the USA the most powerful country it can be would advance that end, wouldn’t my time be better spent contributing to the US economy for the 45 minutes than traveling to the voting booth, waiting in line & voting? Using those 45 minutes to buy an ice cream cone will surely benefit the US more than casting a vote which doesn’t matter.

  3. Voting will make you a socially responsible person by making you actively participate in the democratic process, regardless of whether or not the act itself has any meaning.
    Merely by weighing my options I am being socially responsible. It would be socially irresponsible of me to perform an act that I knew had no meaning. If a reasoned analysis concludes that a double scoop rocky road helps out the country more than a wasted vote, why shouldn’t I go straight to the local Baskin Robins?

  4. If everybody decided not to vote, then the apathy might lead to the loss of a democratic government all together.
    First, we are talking about just one person. Just like my vote won’t matter, neither will my decision to not vote. Anyway, if everyone decided to act like me (make a reasoned decision of whhich course of action is the most socially responsible) then it would not be apathy that drove the decision, but love of the country.

So is my logic flawed? Have I missed something? Or is voting really a big waste of time?
Morgan
-I’ll see you at the Baskin Robins on Nov. 7!

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You have to spend 45 minutes to vote? Move to the coutry, honey. I’ve never had to wait a minute.

Actually, Gordon Tullock of the University of Arizona wrote a piece called “The Mathematics of Voting and Political Ignorance” where he argues that not only is voting irrational, so is staying informed on political matters. The small likelihood of your voting making a difference simply doesn’t justify the time spent.

That said, I still vote regularly, if for no other reason than to send a message. I voted libertarian once (and only once), not because I was in love with the libertarian candidate, but because I despised the Republican and the Democrat equally. Did anyone get the message? Probably not, but it made me feel better.

I did make a difference once, but it was in a race I didn’t much care about. The county sheriff candidate I voted for in the primary beat his opponent 473-472. I don’t kid myself that the same could ever happen in a presidential election, of course.

Work is the curse of the drinking classes. (Oscar Wilde)

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Morgan: First, we are talking about just one person.

There are something like 200 million "one person"s in this country. I understand your point, but it’s the descisions of individual people that determine the fate of the masses. Small things add up to big things.

Anyway, if everyone decided to act like me (make a reasoned decision of whhich course of action is the most socially responsible) then it would not be apathy that drove the decision, but love of the country.

That I just don’t understand. You seem to be assuming that everyone who doesn’t vote does so for the same reasons. They don’t. Some people don’t care, others don’t like the candidates, others have moral issues. And I don’t see how your descision not to vote can be construed as “socially responsible.”

I understand your points, but it’s largely the principal of the issue. I am 18, and this will be the first election I will participate in. I have many problems with this country, and I bitch about this stuff a lot. Unless I vote, I don’t feel like I have the right to bitch about this stuff. It’s how I feel about it now.

I do think there should be a “None of the above” option. I don’t particularly like one of the two candidates, but I really don’t like the other one, and really don’t want someone with his policies being the President of the United States. So I will pick what I view as the lesser of two evils.

But conceivabley, sometime in the future, I will run across a situation where the candidates are both equally evil to me. Yet, I want it known that I made the effort to vote. That’s what “None of the above” would mean. I think that a significant number of “None of the above” votes could be a way of measuring how displeased people are with the current political situation.

I just can’t justify wasting my time to go to the ballot box.

Then don’t. The less people who vote, the more mine counts.

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Hey, I’ll take that bet!

Every electoral college vote was decided by less than 10,000 votes.

This is easy to understand as there are allways much less than 10,000 total votes in the electoral college.

So, what did I win?

Peace

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I think the OP means a 10,000 vote margin to decide one state’s electoral vote. At least that’s why I think.

In 1976, Jimmy Carter beat Gerald Ford in Ohio by 11,116 votes, which ending up being .17% of the total vote in Ohio in that election.

In 1996, Clinton beat Dole by 4,730 votes in Nevada, although that was 1.1% of the total vote.

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I don’t think that’s much of a refutation. Why isn’t voting part of your duty? Because it isn’t required by law? I’m not sure I can convince you that you have responsibilities beyond simply obeying the law, but that doesn’t mean I agree that you don’t.
And how can you compare getting an ice cream cone to voting. The former affects one person; the lateer hundred of millions.

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If you do not vote, you better not bitch.

Voting gives me a license to complain bout how things are being run. I refuse to give that right away…

Yer pal,
Satan

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I vote this topic belongs in Great Debates. All in favor?

It’s unanimous. Cool.

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If something makes you feel better, and its not hurting anyone, by all means do it.

Lots of small things may add up to a big thing, but a single small thing is still a small thing.

The original question was why should I vote. The reason the question was framed in that way was to prevent someone from saying “its the socially responsible thing to do” without any proof of why it is socially responsible.

That’s what I ment to say. My bad.

You win a smiley :wink: . I should move to Nevada. Not only is gambling and prostitution legal, but your vote counts!

As I alluded to in the OP, I believe the duties of a citizen are not the same as the duties of a moral person. It is a purely semantic distinction which really has no meaning. The discussion is not limited to one or the other.

I’m contributing to the economy. Not only does every penny that gets spent contribute to the GNP, on a local level I am helping out the business owner, the clerk behind the counter, the landlord, etc.

Why shouldn’t I bitch? I pay my taxes. Why do I need to perform a useless act before my voice can be heard? Heck, I even bitch about what is going on in foriegn countries.