Why you arn't ever going to get good customer service

Not a day passes that someone doesn’t rant on this board about a bitchy McDonald’s employee or a lazy retail clerk. While I feel sorry for people that have to deal with any sort of rudeness, I think we need some truth tellin’ time.

Service jobs (including low-level food service and retail) are almost all minimum wage nowadays. That’s pretty well known. What isn’t known is that turnover at these places is high- extremly high. Most people quit withing three month. Why? Because conditions and pay suck. People always say “if you don’t like the job- quit”. And quit they do. In a constant stream.

How bad does it suck? Computers track your every move. You get a big list of rules that nobody follows, but for whcih you are under constant threat of being fired (not so bad) or humiliated by your boss (sucks big time) for breaking. You have to “look busy” at all times, even if there is nothing that needs to be done. You never know what your schedule is going to be. They may only schedule you for a few hours. You don’t have any assurance that you are going to make enough to pay rent. You can be fired at any time, for no reason. You live in constant uncetainty. And you don’t even get ay benefits. There is no advancement. There is no reward for doing your job well. It just means your a bigger sucker that they guy next to you. It sucks. And people figure this out pretty quickly.

Employers take advantage of this endless supply of labor. They treat employees like fodder. They know you won’t be around long, and that when you quit or get fired there will be someone to instantly replace you, so they simply try to get as much out of you as they can before you move on. There is no investment in the employee by the employer.

Which means no training. Nobody ever trains customer service workers to smile and be polite. Nobody ever tells them how to be helpful. Heck, I’ve been on jobs where they don’t even train the cashiers how to use the register- which requires some knowledge and skill. They literally just throw them on and hope they don’t screw up too bad! From perhaps the third hour on your first day of work, you are not in training. This doesn’t stop them from paying the sub-minimum wage “training pay” or collecting federal job trainging benefits, but that is another story altogether.

What is another aspect of having temporary, untrained employees? Lack of trust. Mangers don’t trust the workers, and worker’s aren’t to be trusted because they have no real tie to the company and know they won’t be on the job long. As a result Most of these people have to see a manager to do anything other than the most simple transactions. They can’t simply open up a new drawer when the line gets too long. They can’t make common sense exchanges. They can’t do what is simple and obvious in many cases because they arn’t trusted to do anything.

Managers of course, have their own duties. Most delays happen because a clerk needs to flag down a manager in order to do whatever they need to do. And since they are untrained, they are constantly asking managers questions about how to do things that are obvious. Things slow down. People get angry.

Which leads to delays. Which leads to customers mad because they can’t get what they need done, even when it is obvious. Which leads to bitter workers who are constantly berated for things they can’t change.

So if you want good customer service, something has to change. People are going to need to figure out a system where employees are treated like human beings. A system where some attempt is made to train and retain employees. You really can’t blame Joe Service who walked in off the street and was plunked down in front of a register five minutes later and will be fired just as quickly for not caring about his job.

The only way to change customer service is to find out what places treat their employees well, and patronize those places. There are a few of them out there. Bitching about the poor state of customer service will do nothing until the system this system that feeds off human beings changes.

I met my boyfriend when we both worked at a B. Dalton bookstore in a mall. He was the assistant manager and I was just a lowly sales clerk and we worked together around 8 months. I was working in the bookstore during the day and waiting tables and making enough to pay rent and bills (didn’t have a car payment at the time) but I never had any extra cash. I kept thinking I should get a “real” job. Eventually, I found a great job in another state and my boyfriend agreed to move with me.

We met to discuss our leaving B. Dalton with the Regional Sales Manager and he honestly seemed very shocked that we were leaving. I was making 5.15 an hour!

Turns out it was a great opportunity. I left the B. Dalton and 5.15 an hour to make 26K in a entry level training coordinator job. I left that job 3 years later and I’m making great money working at job I love.

I know I’m rambling, I was just trying to AGREE with the op. Retail had nothing really: no decent wage, no benefits, no future. Few people could afford to work ONLY at B. Dalton unless they had a spouse making good money someplace else.

So many people came and went, there were few reasons to stay.

This is why I try to praise workers and notify managers when people are doing a good job.

FUCK YEAH.

Hola!

I have worked retail and hotel jobs before, and my general rule is this, if you pay me 6 dollars/hour, I am going to do 6dollars/hour’s worth of work. This is why I got fired all the time.

Personally, I hate employment. I hate looking for a job (begging in a tie), I really hate making someone else money, and I hate the time and energy to do something that I am truly forced to do becuase of economics.

I have known managers who work in their stores over 12 hours a day, 60 hours plus per week because they have to please a district manager or that was just “policy” of the store. I worked in a auto parts store where the manager had to be there on Tuesday from 8 AM until 11 PM at night and only had Sundays off. Then the manager has to put up with low paid unhappy employees who do not want to be there, plus the pain in the ass (PITA) duties of counting money, inventory, looking for shoplifters, not to mention the remote possibility of getting robbed.

The corporate offices of these retail shitholes expect the managers to think of the store as God almighty, and it is them first and their own lives second. Also consider that a store manager just makes enough to survive, but he realizes that if he/she kisses enough asses, they can get a better job in the mindless corporate chain. UGH!

SENOR

PS KMA-Kiss my ass
PITA-Pain in the ass

[Inspired by the OP, I have just e-mailed praise to several local businesses or franchises with good service and low-paid employees.]

Out of interest, what alternative do you suggest?

Fuck yeah.

You know what? Fuck you.
I am a house painter. I searched for six months for this job, and I get paid seven bucks an hour. I bust my ass in burned houses, trying to function while under the influence of Kilz, swaying to and fro on a six foot ladder wavering precariously on a weak, water damaged floor. I dont have to LOOK busy, I have to BE busy, non-stop, for nine hours a day, five to six days per week.
My training consisted of a Slingblade impersonator handing me a brush and grunting “paindadtrim”.
My chance for advancement? Oh, I don’t know. Considering how I had to BEG for this job and agree to let an alcoholic bunk in my apartment four days a week to get the fucking job in the first place I’d say fairly slim. And today I just found out that I make a dollar less an hour than the last employee because I AM A WOMAN. And I really have no recourse at this point because that seven bucks an hour feeds my child.

And I am STILL friendly with the homeowner.

Why? Because the owner pays my check. Because I am contracted to do a job in the SERVICE INDUSTRY. Because being cheerful leaves an impression that might be beneficial one day.

I think everything in your post is bullshit, plain and simple.

When I worked at Taco Hell for 3.50 an hour, I was friendly with customers. For the same reasons. It’s part of the job. Nobody should fucking TRAIN you to crack a smile and say, “Thank you”.

I’m not asking for a marching band and groveling when I run into BK. And I dont think it’s too much to ask for some civility. I don’t care how much you make. You’re earning it because of ME, the customer, who makes pretty much what you do, in MUCH shittier conditions. They didnt call my last jobsite Roach Motel for nothing.

If you don’t want to work in a SERVICE oriented industry, don’t put in an application at McDonalds. And if you do put in that application, for the love of Big Macs, do YOURSELF a service and put forth the effort. It really does make the day go by faster for everyone involved.

I’ve seen this type of argument before and I don’t agree. The employee is paid according to the skill level the job requires. I don’t expect a company to make a big investment in terms of time or wages for a low skill position with high turnover. It just doesn’t make good business sense.

Since the employee is being paid a low wage, the manager should be the ones making the larger decisions, even if they do seem like common sense to us. They are supposed to decide if Joe should be restocking aisle 5 or be on a register. They are trained and paid better to make these judgement calls.

But the crappy day’s work for the lousy wage really irritates me. The employee agrees to work there at the wage they are told when they are hired. They have some sense of what the work environment is like. It isn’t a big secret that there may be grease, rude customers and manual labor. That’s what comes with a low skill job. As an employer, I would make the assumption that they want to be there, giving their best effort to retain their job for which I am paying them.

Where’s the personal responsibility part come in? I’m sick of people equating wage to effort put forth.

Maybe the point is good customer service is, in fact, a skill and calls for a reasonable level of compensation.

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This would in fact be the system even is criticising. He’s saying it doesn’t work. He’s right.

(As far as your example above, do you think being treate like an automaton really encourages people do go above and beyond for the customer? It hardly gives them a chance.)

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Why shouldn’t they? Why should you, really, expect $10 a hour worth of service when they’re getting $6?

I give great customer service (well I do now because I’m working where they don’t treat me like an automaton) because I like books (and people, sometimes).

But I wouldn’t presume to asks someone to work more than they’re being paid for. That’s capitalism.

Well, then we don’t agree on some things. I think that generally, basic courtesy and common sense will take care of the majority of customer transactions. I would expect some of both out of any employee I hired. Maybe I am expecting too much.

I don’t think poor management is always the problem. I’ve seen managers give an employee a lot of help, only to have them turn around and quit any way.

I view my job as a reflection of what I can do, not what I’m paid. If I have a larger than normal workload, I feel challenged. I don’t mentally calculate what I’m being paid and work accordingly. Because I’m there for a given period of time either way. So I can put forth the extra effort or I can do a marginal job. Either way, it gets noticed. One girl at my work told me she did an ok job, because it was only an ok wage. Guess who doesn’t work there anymore and guess who still does?

Being brought up in a home where laziness is a sin probably doesn’t help my perception of things though.

Except of course, those of us in low-paying, retail jobs who get 2-3 weeks of training, and have very good rapport with the managers. Oh, and while we do lose people, it’s usually after 3 months or more.

I think the problem is that even though people bitch, customer service is already pretty good, and people aren’t willing to pay for better. I’ve had plenty of experiences where customer service people were rude or insulting or unhelpful, and occasionally I’ve left a store without spending the money I meant to spend, but there’s never been a time when I could not buy something I wanted from somewhere, where bad customer service was truly unbearable.

At the end of the day, I’d rather have the occasional person be rude or unhelpful and have more money to spend than have my shopping experience be streamlined, perfect, and pleasant, only 20% more expensive.

Maybe they quit to find a job that actually pays a living wage?

Way to go Rushgeekgirl. If you lived out here, I’d hire you on the spot.

Now even sven does bring up some good points but there is no excuse not to try your best at a job. It doesn’t take all that much more effort to do a good job than a shitty job so why not do a good job? Maybe you hate your employer but extend some fucking common courtesy on the customer who is blameless here.

I got my first job when I was 15. When I was 16 I worked at McDonalds for 10 months for minimum wage. This enabled me to get a job at Straw Hat Pizza which paid a quarter above minimum wage. I did all manner of shit work to help pay my way through school including cleaning carpets in some of the most disgusting conditions imaginable. I was pleasent to all but the most extreme of assholes.

So I know that first hand that customers and managers can be pricks. I remember what it was like and I am always polite to customer service people. I also report the very worst and the very best to managment. Truthfully, very bad customer service is rare in my experience. Sadly, very good service is rare too.

Now I’m an engineer and I’m doing very well in part because I have a history of working very well with others. When a new operator or technician comes in you can almost always spot the ones who won’t last a month and the ones who have very good potential. I try to give everyone a chance to take their careers to the next step but I try extra hard with the ones who are entusiastic, respectful and seem genuinely interested in what they are doing. After a while, the ones who seem to be just punching the clock and doing the bare minimum will find themselves getting the shittier assignments. They wank about how they hate to work and how they don’t get treated fairly and the whole thing becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. They they’re on to the next job where The Man is running them down.

Haj

It is possible to think the system is flawed and agree wtih the OP while still doing your best to live with it and provide good customer service in spite of the fact that you’re being paid horseshit to work with assholes (shitty coworkers AND the ruder members of the public). Don’t assume that just because a person agrees with the OP it means they’re not working hard enough/providing shitty customer service/etc.

You are 100% correct racinchikki and I meant to put that disclaimer in my post but it slipped my mind. You have posted a few work rants and it is clear from them that you are one of the good ones.

Haj

Here’s the solution that worked for me when I worked in the service industry:

Never work for a corporate company.

I began working when I was 14 at a cookie store owned by a really nice woman. She also had a catering business that she ran out of the shop.

The pay was all right, (after all, I was only 14) and she adjusted my hours to coincide with school vacations ect. After about a year, she began taking me with her on catering jobs, where I earned more money. This gave me some basic service experience.

From there, I moved on to the resteraunt industry. Always for smaller, privately owned resteraunts though. The owners were much more likely to treat their employees like actual people, not just another cog in the machine.

I made the mistake of getting a job at a corporate chain accesory store in a mall in my first semester of college. BAD MISTAKE. I’d never been treated worse in my entire working experience. I was considered “management” but was only being paid $0.25 more than the sales associates (also known as “slave labor”), while being expected to work three times as hard. Needless to say, I didn’t last long there. Told that employer to take that job and “shove it.”

Then I went back to waiting tables at another privately owned resterant. Ahhhhh, much better. I was back to being treated like an actual human being. And the tips rocked.

I moved and ended up working for a corporate resterant for a grand total of 2 weeks, before I called them all a buncha natzi’s and ran far, far away. Same thing as the accessory store.

So then I found another small, privately owned resteraunt and stayed there until I found my “real job” where a great deal of time and money is being invested in me, and is doing wonders for my future.

So, long story short: even sven is right in his assesment of CORPORATE service industry jobs. You want to be treated like a human? Find a job in a nice privately owned store/resteraunt.

I think the personal responsibility went wherever corporate responsibility did.

The equation between wage and effort is too simplistic; I’ve worked my ass off for no money at all, simply because I was treated well. If I find an environment where I’ve been given responsibility and authority in equal measure, where management listens in addition to just talking, and where I’m treated as an adult human being capable of doing the job I was hired for, I’m there, for as long as I’m needed, doing my job to the best of my ability.

Treat me like an automaton, or worse, a child, give me responsibility without the authority to fulfill it, and treat my input as inherently useless, and I’m going to do my damndest to make sure I get paid as much as possible for sitting on my ass. I consider it my duty to society to do so; it’s a stupid management tax.