Monty: still I await some sort of explaination as to what you are on about.
I’m on about you tossing up that loon site as though it’s a reputable source of information.
What’s the core object of the masons?
A few years ago I had to do so work in the Masonic temple in Philadelphia.
The maintenance man was also a member and he gave us a private tour including the catwalks in the roofing system.
So far, that is the most impressive building I’ve ever been in. They have rooms that look like throne rooms (for lack of a better word). Each room I saw was more impressive then the last.
I went home and looked on the internet to see what they were all about and from what I could tell they were much ado about nothing.
It’s been awhile but I think they said that they didn’t discuss politics or religion at their meetings. What else would be left to discuss besides women?
So, what do they discuss?
My father is a (lapsed) Mason. He hasn’t been to lodge for decades. Yet, he still takes it semi-seriously in that he doesn’t tell me stuff he’s not supposed to. Then again, I’m not particularly interested in asking.
In his view, the Masons are at worst a bunch of silly old buggers clinging to a former glory. At best, a group of guys trying to uphold a moral code and do good in society. They used to have a fair bit of influence along the lines of “jobs for the boys” and the like (but then in Australia up until the forties or so, job ads would openly say Catholics (or Protestants, as the case may be) need not apply, so the Masons weren’t on their own in this - they were just a little more subtle about it.
Although my father wouldn’t divulge all the rituals, he pretty much said they can be interesting and beautiful in their way, but yes, they are pretty much for effect, and your average lodge meeting is generally a harmless booze-up.
Did you even read my post? Yes, it is a loon site, but yes, that is an actual bona-fide Boston Globe article relating exactly what I was talking about.
Is the Boston Globe not a reliable source of information? I still don’t get what your deal here is. Why is it so inconcievable that
- the Masons were much more secretive in the past
- they felt that was hurting their organization
- they decided to become much less secretive
Exactly what out of that is getting you so riled up?
Yes, I read it. Yes, they have the Globe article. And they also have this lovely bit right on your link:
You could’ve avoided the whole loon site by going to the primary source: www.globe.com.
At any rate, that’s only talking about one Grand Lodge, not the entire organization as you (and the article’s headline) implied.
If you really want to twist your mind in knot I would recommend listening to David Emory.
David Icke is a bit on the fringe. David Emory attempts to legitimize his hypotheses by using references from news sources.
http://www.spitfirelist.com
examples of topics:
FTR-245 Deutsche Telekom Uber Alles - Update on German Corporate Control Over American Media (Two 30-minute segments) (Sources are noted in parentheses)
FTR-235 Trans-Atlantic Machinations by the Fourth Reich (Two 30-minute segments) (Sources are noted in parentheses.)
FTR#392—Desert Flowers—The Bushes of Arabia—(One 30-minute segment) Highlighting the structural economic connections between the Bush family and the Saudi elite, this broadcast develops some of the business and para-political relationships that W’s relatives have with the milieu implicated in the attacks of 9/11.
FTR#414—Islam Under the Swastika and its Implications for Today—(Two 30-minute segments) (Sources are noted in parentheses.) Providing historical background to the operations of Islamofascism in contemporary times, this broadcast fleshes out some of the history of the collaboration between Nazi Germany (and—to a lesser extent—Fascist Italy) and key elements of the Islamic world.
They’re not?
Cite?
Have you been there and learned the “upper level secrets”?
If not, then you do not know.
Oh, god, vanilla. Give the conpiracy loon theories a rest, will you? There is no Illuminati. The Masons are not “The World’s Most Evil Secret Society” and they are not out to control the world. The Masons are not the religion of Satan. Etc., etc., etc.
Okay, Monty, if you tell me to, I will quit belieivng what I do.
Its just my opinion, you think I’m proselitizing?
I never said the Masons were evil, did I?
No, I did not.
Just that you didn’t know the upper secrets. Nor do I.
Nope, vanilla; you got it backward. Remember that “extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.” But, in this case, YOU are the one claiming the Masons are some evil world-domination outfit. YOU must provide the proof. Please do so using some reputable outfit.
And yes, you implied that they might be “Satanic World Domination 101.”
No, I didn’t.
Just that we don’t know the "secrets’ because we are not 33rd degree Masons or above.
Simple.
That’s your stance? You’re not a 33rd degree Mason so there’s no proof that they’re not out to take over the world?
Oh, please.
Bolding mine. In the United States, alcohol is forbidden in Masonic Temples; I can’t speak for other parts of the world.
As to the 33rd Degree, I don’t know what goes on there—it is an honorary degree. Maybe they ride goats or something. There is NOTHING above the 33rd Degree and there is nothing about the 33rd Degree that “outranks” any other degree confered in Masonry. Before someone brings it up, a Mason must have attained the 32 Degree before he may become a Shriner, but Shriners don’t “outrank” Masons.
For what it is worth, I am a 32nd Degree Scotish Rite Mason and no one ever told me anything about world domination or control of the stock market or any of that good stuff. If they had, maybe I wouldn’t have been unemployed for the past two plus years. Dern that last degree anyway—those guys get all the good stuff.
I wish we could give this conspiracy garbage the deep six. There ain’t no damn conspiracy—there just ain’t.
LouisB, I’m pretty certain my dad did say there was drinking involved, but I’ll double check with him next time I see him (this weekend), and I’ll get back to you.
I think the quality of this discussion is more than amply illustrated that I nominated a group which is known to have a proclivity for attracting spies to its membership and you guys are focussing on the Masons. Sad.
I never said there was a conspiracy.
:rolleyes:
No!
I don’t think a goat could support an adults weight.
This is your brain on Masonic conspiracy theories.
Any questions?
Maybe if they were demonic possed goats in the employ of vast worldwide conspiracy groups armed with 1920’s style death rays.