You’ve never heard the metaphor of “tent” used in refernce to social equality before. Sorry, I wasn’t trying to be obscure.
Black voters have a clear and unassailable record of voting for white Democrats.
So the “black voters are just as racist as white voters” argument is fundamentally moronic.
Bill Clinton got the overwhelming majority of the black vote. So did Jimmy Carter.
In this years New York primary, Hilary Clinton got the majority of the black vote, not Obama.
There is not a single instance, in a statewide general election, where white voters supported a black candidate, to the same degree that black voters routinely support white candidates.
None of these definitioons are applicable. Blacks are not voting for Obama because they believe whites are inferior, nor do they favor a system of government favoring suchj a system, nor does their vote involve hatred or intolerance.
See. Looking up the definition clears things right up. Now everyone should understand why it’s fatuous to say that black support for Obama is “racist.” That statement shows a now clearly demonstrated ignorance of the meaning of the word.
False. Black voters who identify with Obama and are voting for him because his race will determine his outlook are guilty of #1.
Furthermore, you have attempted to change the nature of the subdebate, <i>since the point under discussion was whether your claim that voting for someone due to their race was not racism was true or false.</i>
Your defense, that “look it up, it’s not defined that way”- is false.
Therefore, your argument was disproven.
Have a nice day!
You haven’t in any way demonstrated that black voters are supporting Obama because of his race. Black voters consistently vote Democratic in presidential elections.
You could put that straw to better use feeding a horse, or mulching a garden.
blacks voting for The Black Guy do.
Did you read the definition?
- a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
If blacks think that a black candidate will represent them better than a white candidate does (and I’m not claiming this is true, but since you believe it, let’s just take it for the sake of argument). So, where is the believe in the inherent difference between races? I haven’t heard there is one yet, no more so than if a Arizona voter votes for McCain, it’s probably not because they believe Arizonans are inherently superior.
But it’s quite a leap to dismiss that as racism. The Democrats have a history, at least since the 1960’s, of supporting civil rights for all citizens, while the Republicans gratefully took over the bigot vote the Dems discarded.
It would be more accurate to say that the black minority overwhelmingly votes for Democrats, who they see as having their interests much more in mind than do the Republicans, while the white population is divided. But the basis for decision is *not *racial identification, but view of government and its relationship with the people. If it were primarily racial, why wouldn’t you see black GOP candidates (they do exist) run away with the black vote when running against white Democrats?
And crying “strawman” to try and deflect criticisms of your own are not convincing.
We are discussing those voting for Obama because of his race in this context. We are not attempting to prove that blacks are only voting for him because of his race, but the question of voting for because of race, and whether it is any less racist than voting against for the same reason. Considering the definition of racism, it is racist, making Dio’s quibble irrelevant. Now, a case is open to be made that positive racism is OK, or that it addresses the imbalance created by negative- all the arguments in favor of affirmative action, really. But that’s a separate line of argumentation that does not affect the truth value of this line of argumentation.
I have not said that blacks will vote for Obama because of his race- although the supposition has as much, if not more traction, than the idea that these faceless hordes of racists will magically vote against Obama- we are discussing whether such voting would be racist.
You are attempting, with this argument, to change what we are discussing.
That he will inherently support their interests, or that their interests are inherently different, than those of other groups- and that this is, by implication, more important than any regional or other affiliate interests they have (ie, black people from Chicago have far more room for the identification than blacks in Alabama, whose interests may not align but whose racial identification is valued more highly- assuming race is their priority factor).
I’m not arguing that white voting patterns are primarily defined by racism. Just that black voting patterns aren’t.
Judging from the 2006 Ohio governors race, having a black candidate did help the Pubbies get twice the black vote they usually get. Blackwell got 40 % of the black vote where Republicans usually get 20 % or less. The white Democrat still won a substantial majority of the black vote.
No they aren’t, because they do not believe that his race makes him superior. Black support for Obama is not motivated by any of your cited defintions for “racism.”
No they don’t, as the cited definitions demonstrate quite definitively.
They don’t believe it makes him a superior candidate? No black person, anywhere? Your psychic skills amaze and impress.
What this has evolved into is whether such a vote would be a racist action.
No traction at all. (The horse will pull better if you feed him that straw.)
No one’s suggesting “faceless racist hordes” as you hyperbolically put it. Poll data shows clearly that race is a concern for some white voters who would otherwise vote Democrat, and these voters will vote against Obama.
Why don’t you take a remedial reading class and learn to read with comprehension. Black support for Obama is not based on a belief that black people are inherently, biologically superior to white people. That belief is necessary to the definition of “racism.”
Really? The poll data I’m seeing mainly cites those for whom race “is an issue”- this includes those voting for Obama because of his race. A fact conveniently ignored.
How many people for whom race is an issue, either way, do you think will say so to a pollster?
And have you looked up what a “straw man” is yet?
Voiting because of race is not necessarily racist. Once more, voting to keep a group out is not the same as voting to get a group in. Voting for equality is not racist.
Believing his race makes him a superior candidate a priori does in fact imply such a belief. Given such voting occurs.
Why don’t you learn to think before you open your mouth and type? You are the one defending the absolutist position requiring information far beyond what you’ll have to be true and claiming it as, effectively, divinely revealed.