Matthew 5:38-9 You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
John 8:7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Romans 12:19 Don’t seek revenge yourselves, beloved, but give place to God’s wrath. For it is written, “Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord.”
Just FYI, not that I accept it as literal truth.
Pjen, I think what you’re doing here is great, but you’re wasting your time. The guy was black and he killed a white woman. The issue is over in most people’s minds. The peanut gallery celebrates vengeance over justice when victims are white but exhibits mild indifference when the victims are black. White people could only spare us 80 or so years before restarting their Tuskegee-esque experiments. The people celebrating his death and the botched execution are not unlike the monsters on Attack on Titan. Over the last few weeks, it has never been so clear that white people want us gone. Treating us like some Palestinian step-children and shit. We don’t fire missiles nor we don’t engage in terrorism but still treated like animals. I just wish they’d move forward on a reparation and repatriation package so we can get the hell out of dodge.
I move the idea that we should turn death row into mini concentration camps. That way, white people can use death row inmates for life-long experimentation followed by organ harvesting and burning the remains. You can broadcast the human experiments on pay-per-view television and use the proceeds to fix your broken, pot-hole riddled roads and your crumbling bridges that you’ve intentionally neglected for over three decades.
Whatever. Slavery is not an accepted practice in the majority of countries around the globe. Nor is slaverysupported by 60% of the American populace. Your arguments suck and this thread should be in the pit IMNSHO.
And immediately a stone flew out from the crowd, killing the woman instantly. And Jesus said, “Really, mother!”
Back to the topic:
The state has a legitimate interest in preventing killers from killing again. It does not have a legitimate interest in exacting revenge. Imprisonment fulfills the legitimate interest of the state, capital punishment is an appeal to the lesser nature of our being.
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There are certain people who, by their horrific actions, deserve to die. Those examples are not many, but you know them when you see them. The fact that other nations don’t do this is odd to me. We kill bears that eat people and mad dogs-some people are no different. It’s not revenge-it’s safety.
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In my view, all people capable of thought are human and should always be treated as such. Killing will happen, (Wars, self defence, necessity, etc) but this should never be engaged in wantonly.
I just happen to value people who are able to control their anti-human drives. Killing a murderer just reduces the State and their supporters to the same moral position as the perpetrator.
To make sure I understand what you’re saying, when you say “white people” in these two paragraphs, do you mean “all white people”, “most white people”, “some white people”, “conservative white people”, “white people who are racists”, “a few white people”, or something else?
I am an equal opportunity proponent of the death penalty and wouldn’t shed a tear for anyone convicted and sentenced for such a crime (even if the execution was “botched”). I resent the broad brush you are painting me with.
I am afraid that there is hidden racism in this debate. Any rational person would be concerned about the incarceration and judicial killing rate of African Americans even over the years since the Civil Rights Movement. It has not happened by accident alone. Some people (white or otherwise) support this, others condone or ignore it.
I am very aware that when I see people due to be killed by the state in the USA, they are predominantly black. As I said, strange fruit- lynching by the state, conscious or not.
Innocent black people in Tuskegee were intentionally allowed to suffer from untreated syphilis. Black people on death row may be sentenced to death at a higher rate than their peers, but they aren’t (mostly) innocent. It’s not a comparable situation.
Most of the people arguing against you in this thread (I included) are death penalty opponents. Some of us (including me) are primarily opposed to the death penalty because it is disproportionally black criminals who are executed. You’re not helping.
Sure I am, and I have posted sentiments to that effect.
I am also worried that sadistic killers often escape their due.
Just because the death penalty may not be applied equally does not make it follow that it should be abandoned. (Are you saying you’re ok with it if it’s applied without discrimination?)
It is trying to frame it so that people can see it as a similar moral issue to slavery or torture and other extreme moral failings of recent society.
I am not against it because black people are unfairly killed. I am against it because human beings are unfairly killed. Arguing even with people who have a mild distaste for the death penalty misses the point that it is a moral issue. It is like arguing with Apartheid era white South African, or Racial Bigots in the South before the Civil rights Act, or people who defend Fascism and Nationalism - people do not see it as in a context of the importance of treating humans as humans.
Orwell had it well:
"George Orwell, while in the Burmese police, watched a prisoner walking to the gallows, and later wrote: “When I saw the prisoner step aside to avoid the puddle, I saw the mystery, the unspeakable wrongness, of cutting a life short when it is in full tide … his brain still remembered, foresaw, reasoned – reasoned even about puddles.”
This piece shows the harm it does to the people who carry out these killings. Here is a man who committed judicial killings and he now calls them murders: