And they still are, with voter ID laws substituting for the old literacy tests and poll taxes. Same shaft, different fig leaf.
People born in Spain have Spanish citizenship from birth if they’re the child of someone with Spanish citizenship or if one of their parents was born in Spain:
Which translated basically is:
Someone is Spanish by origin:
a. If born to a Spanish mother or father
b. If born in Spain to foreign parents if one of them was born in Spain. The exception is the children of diplomatic officials and consular officers
c. If born to foreign born parents who are without nationality, or if they won’t inherit their parents’ nationality.
d. If their parentage can’t be determined. People whose first known place of residence is Spain are considered born in Spain
As for Dutch law:
Dutch father or mother
Each child is a Dutch citizen when at the time of birth:
The mother is a Dutch citizen and the child was born after 31 December 1984 (the child does not have to be born in the Netherlands), or
The father is a Dutch citizen and is married to the mother (the mother does not need to have Dutch nationality, nor does the child have to be born in the Netherlands), or
The parents have legal residence in the Netherlands and they themselves were born while their parents had legal residence in the Netherlands.
Indeed, ‘botched’ executions are nothing new and have had little, if any, effect on the public’s appetite for the practice.
For the record, I’ll add that years before Gacy was executed, the hangings of at least two of two of the Germans at Nuremberg, were also 'botched (Streicher’s - couldn’t have happened to a nicer fellow; and Sauckel’s) with nary a word said condemning such ‘barbarism’.
cite?
I think he’s talking about that whole “owning India and large parts of Africa” thing that the UK had going on.
Not “well into the 60s” he isn’t.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but unlike the US if your parents are in the country illegally, you are not a citizen simply by being born there. Right?
Honesty, I’m going to ask you to tone this sort of thing down. To say that all white people do X (regardless of whatever X may be) is just as unacceptable as saying all blacks do X (regardless of whatever X may be). Characterizing groups in such a way is something I don’t want to see happen in Great Debates, whether it’s racial, political parties, or hair color.
You would say that, you damn ginger!
The USA situation seems unclear with no firm decision on the status of children of illegals.
Don’t we have a specialist in such matters on the board?
Actually if I read this last part correctly, even f the parents are legal residents you’re still not automatically granted citizenship. It’s only if if they were legal residents and THEY were born in the Netherlands while their parents were legal residents.
Personally I think it’s far more disgusting and vastly more immoral to refuse to grant citizenship people born in your country to legal or illegal immigrants(but especially to legal residents) than it is to execute murderers(though I’m oppossed to the death penalty).
Moreover, despite Pjen’s desperate hand waving it’s pretty clearly being done to try and restrict citizenship due to fear of immigrants and Muslim immigrants in particular.
Now, Pjen can continue to try and argue that discrimination based on “heritage” is somehow fundamentally different than discrimination based on “colour”, but it isn’t.
I was thinking of the fact that they didn’t give up the last of their colonies until the early 1960s, but you’re correct, it was an exaggeration which I shouldn’t have added.
Two words Dred Scott. Nothing like it save the Third Reich. It stripped citizenship from Free Born Blacks solely because of the colour of their skin, some who had been so since 1776!
Respectfully, what are you talking about?
It’s very clear. The children of “illegals” are automatically granted US citizenship.
Are you actually suggesting that the US could be a “civilized”(to use your term) country and deny millions of children born in the US citizenship based on the fact that their parents aren’t legal residents?
Let me ask you a question.
Which would in your opinion make the US more civilized?
A. The US stopped executing convicted murderers(right now if all people scheduled for execution this year are carried out, which is unlikely,) but the US denied citizenship to the millions born and raised in America to illegal immigrants.
Or
B. The US continued executing a small percentage of convicted murderers but also continues to grant citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.
Same question with legal immigrants.
Really millions? Or is that another exaggeration?
As are the children of “legals”. If your first breath is drawn within US territory you are a citizen.
I choose C. The US stops executing anybody and the Constitution continues to be followed in that if you’re born in the US, you are a citizen.
Don’t be silly.
No it’s not silly.
Which is worse.
Executing a small number of murderers or denying millions of people citizenship in the country of their birth?
I did not say the post was silly in itself. You expecting an answer is silly. “When did you stop beating your wife”
False dichotomy.
I’m not sure you understand the concept of “false dichotomy”.
Explain how it is?
I’m just asking which is worse. It shouldn’t be a difficult question to answer.