That’s funny. I would have felt relieved.
Maybe for you. You’re struggling with a debate and have resorted to parsing words in search of a way out. It’s not a problem in the real world.
Admittedly. But consider a tweak of Pjen’s scenario: imagine we hear that a gunman has sprayed bullets into a crowd of innocents – at which point I’d feel, among other things, that the perpetrator should be brought to justice. Why, it could’ve been me in that crowd! Or it could’ve been my wife and child! Or my beloved parents!
And imagine we later hear that – as it happens – no one in the crowd was actually hurt; one bullet whistled past the ear of Crowdmember #3, another bullet hit the ground right between Crowdmember #7 and Crowdmember #8, yet another bullet punched clean through a bundle of rags next to a little kid, and et cetera.
I feel relief, sure – but that other thing I felt, about how the gunman should be brought to justice? That’s still there; it doesn’t change; put me on the jury, it’d be an honor.
I am excited and thrilled that you can look at the present under the narrow microscope of the last decade. Unfortunately, I cannot. I do not buy into this post-racialism bullshit especially given the last decade. If your moderators were not here to wipe the slate clean, this very message board would be overrun by threads about how blacks are stupid, how we’re violent, how we’re going to steal from you, etc etc. You’re living in a bubble and I don’t buy into it. Sorry.
I know. Before, I would spend hours carefully collecting cites to debate, but after getting burnt trying to explain what an experimental control is or proving that U.S roads and bridges are crumbling (et al.), I have decided it’s more amusing (to me) and less time consuming to post this way.
I didn’t call you a racist, I nonspecifically implied you (and others) were. You do not get extra points because you ostensibly support botched executions regardless of sex, creed, or color. The fact that you support botched executions makes you just as bit of as a monster that you’re purporting me to be. So no, you don’t get an apology.
The qualifier is irrelevant. It’s white people or predominately so. In this specific case, the Governor is white, the Supreme Court Justices* are white, the Attorney General is white, the Congressmen that threatened the Supreme Court Justices (who supported Lockett) with impeachment are white, and, curiously enough, the Court of Criminal Appeals* are white. White white white white. The people who are making decisions are predominately white and given the history of white people’s animus toward blacks in this country, it should not come to anyone’s surprise (except the SDMB) that the decision to run a live, untested death experiment on a human being was not somehow motivated by race. C’mon.
How do you see it? I am not just blowing smoke here, either. I mean, you see 98% of the people who making these bad decisions are white people yet we’re supposed to think the decision was carried out free of bias? That this isn’t the will of the majority of people of Oklahoma? C’mon. I bet you $1,000,000 that if this happened to Aileen Wuornos’ crazy ass, there would be much bigger outcry. Though, let’s be honest, every effort was likely expended to ensure her execution was humane just for that reason. In contrast, Lockett was denied that opportunity (a humane execution) and allowed to writhe in agony for >30 minutes.
You likely do not have money to fund my repatriation to another country. Instead, I would graciously ask that you donate that money to the State of Oklahoma and direct it to death penalty research or the U.S Department of Transportation to fix your pot-hole riddled roads and crumbling bridges.
- Honesty
- Both courts have one token black.
How many token blacks would be fair?
The other recent “botched” execution using “test” drugs was in Ohio where the person executed was white. So the notion that “the decision to run a live, untested death experiment on a human being was not somehow motivated by race” actually appears to be true.
I oppose the death penalty. Beyond my basic opposition to it, in any situation, I recognize that it is unfairly and preponderantly used against blacks in this country.
However, no one makes a case for their beliefs by simply declaring every issue “racial” and refusing to consider any other evidence when evaluating a situation.
How can you argue with “C’mon”? I mean, c’mon.
Link for tomndebb’s point:
State executes murderer Dennis McGuire, marking first use of new blend of drugs for lethal injection
Explain why they experimented first on a white guy, Honesty. Self hating whites, I suppose?
And shit.
Regards,
Shodan
Uh-huh.
Dude, you’re in a hole. Stop digging.
I’m pretty sure saying “I didn’t call him an asshole, I merely implied he was an asshole” isn’t going to convince people I didn’t insult him.
Well, Oklahoma is Judicial Killing free for six months- things are moving.
Your optimism is amusing if not infectious.
Things have moved. A gung-ho death penalty state is taking a six month break while it decides the future. This is a ratchet effect- every cock-up and error made by judicial killers leads inexorably towards an eventual declaration that it is Cruel and Unusual Punishment. It may take another generation but that is the way things are moving.
So you’re acknowledging that if there aren’t any “cock-ups and errors”, that it’s not cruel and unusual?
It is most certainly not a ratchet effect situation. Ratchet effect has to do with binding laws and penalty for backsliding not for dreamy hopes that the courts will outlaw capital punishment eventually because of a fuck up or two.
No. try reading English as it is written, and using logic. I said If A then B, not Iff A and B.
A implies B but A is not necessary for B.
It is a ratchet of Public opinion and legal likelihood. As fewer states choose to kill, the punishment becomes more unusual.
That just means that there will be more people executed in a shorter period when they complete their investigation.
Back on Topic
It seems that it has had an effect on SCOTUS who have sent this case back for reconsideration against its recent usual practice of refusing last minute appeals for stays of execution.
Tennessee has brought back the electric chair.
I’m sure this is exactly what the anti-CP people were hoping to accomplished when they started pushing the pharmaceuticals to stop making lethal injection drugs.