Will everyone eventually break under torture?

Possibly, only thing I really recall is that (a) the torture and ill-treatment lasted for months (b) they literally gouged one of his eyes out and (c) he didn’t confess, I don’t see the second mentioned re Rokossovsky though.

On a sidenote and relevant to this thread is that I also recall that when people refused to confess the powers that be would start threatening and ill-treating their friends and family. Someone who can take pretty much anything they can throw personally at them may not be willing to have that done to those they care for.

Also, even if very tough, people may not see a good *reason *to hold out. If they’re being tortured to extract what seems to them to be a relatively trivial piece of information, or if they think that even if they hold out, others will simply divulge the information regardless, then they may conclude, “There’s no point in resisting and suffering needless torture in this situation.”

It had less to do with his religious beliefs and more to do with the law.

If he refused to plead, his sons-in-law would inherit his estate; if he pleaded, he would probably be found guilty and his estate forfeit to the government. So he refused to plead.

He held out for three days, until he died. So he never broke under torture. All he ever said was the famous “More weight!”

Regards,
Shodan

Not ever having done it/had it done to me, but here’s how I think it goes:

The victim is placed on an inclined plane, with their feet higher than their head. Water is introduced into their mouth or nose or both, such that they must inhale the water, triggering a sensation of drowning. The water level rises until the victim passes out or gives up. Due to the incline, water flows out of the respiratory tree and out the mouth and nose, allowing the victim to either breathe on their own or be resuscitated. Then the process is repeated.

The wet towel is to prevent anything other than water from entering the victim’s lungs. When the victim inhales, all they can breathe is water. Sure, you can hold your breath, like Christopher Hitchens did in his 2008 Vanity Fair article on the subject, but when you breathe in, you’re still getting nothing but water. And, at least for me, water in the sinus cavities hurts. A lot. It was something I took a lot of time learning how to avoid, when I first learned how to swim. Also, if the victim holds their breath, the phenomenon mentioned by Bouncer and others above, occurs where the victim start to blame themselves for their failure and their pain.

The Hitchens article is an excellent, easy to read explanation of the process, IMHO.

Gray Ghost, ask your friend if he can get through having a cavity filled by the dentist without nitrous of Novocain. If not, he won’t last.

Me, I think I wouldn’t last twenty seconds. Paper tiger, here.

Also, I second the Christopher Hitchens article about waterboarding. It made him change his mind on whether it’s torture, and Hitch was honest enough to admit it.

I think that exceptional individuals in exceptional circumstances will not be broken by physical pain alone.

But, skilled interrogators, with the full toolkit of techniques, can break anyone.

Maybe an interrogator pushes down hard on your chest to expel air to prevent you from holding your breath.

And even if he can do it once, can he withstand that level of pain 20 times? 50 times? 300 times?
At some point, the mind will snap.

Think you might have me confused with another poster. I haven’t mentioned any friends in this thread.

I’m with you on the not lasting long through pain, and I completely resemble the ordinary guy in this commercial, You Wouldn’t Make It In Pro Football. Problem is, depending on why people are torturing you, they may not care if you last or not, or what you tell them. Which, I suspect, is another thing they teach them at SERE: how to cope with the knowledge that your torturer may not ever stop.

Scyllawaterboarding himself (I wonder what became of him, by the way).

The confession, a movie by Costa-Gavras about the torture of a Czech official, Arthur London, to make him admit to betrayal (psychological torture only, like sleep deprivation)

I have to wonder, have security agencies developed anti-interrogation drugs to block those?

I had a long chat with several instructors that conduct training for various gov’t on this exact topic - and across the board, everyone agreed:

Everyone breaks.

Once they determine your currency, it’s only a matter of applying pressure.

What do you mean by currency? Do you mean what kind of positive and negative pressure affects the person most?

As an example, I once watched a video of an ex polo player and ex navy seal getting waterboarded. He seemed to last far longer than the 10-20 seconds most people last. However due to his background as a seal and as a polo player he is probably more comfortable in water and less afraid of drowning.

On the other hand when one of the commandos who killed an innocent person during retaliation for the black september massacre was put into solitary confinement he broke quickly because he was claustrophobic.

Yes, that is what I meant. For example, I said that, in all honesty, I would put up with quite a bit of physical discomfort if the information I held would cause casualties if I told. One of them looked at me and said, and what if one of them handed you a phone and your daughter was on the other end, in the hands of people preparing to torture her. Yep, bingo, that would work, and quite well on me. If the interrogators are sufficiently motivated and believe that you hold some crucial info, they’ll find a way. They know they have about 24 hours, and will do what they have to in order to get what they need.

I heard that was a big thing under Saddam Hussein. He would keep the children of any rivals in prison.

Another, he would make you choose the torture. Like for example which of your kids to get hurt.

Kevin Mitnick broke. Aaron Swartz didn’t: he committed sucide rather than plead.

I don’t think either was tortured in the sense that Giles Corey was. Nor were the crimes of which they were accused very similar.

“Prithee, sirrah, thou hath by darkest arts smitten my barley with drouth, made mine best cow to miscarry, and hath breached the firewall on my mail server! Thou shouldst be BURNED AT THE STAKE!”

Regards,
Shodan