Will Israel destroy Hamas

They’re a state-run news organization in a country without freedom of speech or press. Their journalist integrity extends as far as their government allows and no further.

I agree that they’re generally pretty good about anything non-Israel-related. And if Hamas’ attempts to disrupt peace talks fail, and relations between Israel and the Arab world are normalized, who knows? This could some day change.

As an American Jew, i read a lot of stuff that has a pro-Israel bias, sometimes to a ridiculous extent. It’s good for me to get a peek at the other side.

Total tangent, but while al Jazeera give very indepth unbiased reporting of any issue outside the middle East, in the middle East (while giving indepth reporting you don’t get elsewhere) is definitely skewed towards both the Palestinian cause and toward the Saudi/Sunni side of the Saudi-vs-Iran Middle East power struggle.

Comparisons to Fox are unfair as I’ve never heard anyone say “I like Fox despite being pro-GOP because of the quality of their indepth reporting”

The problem is that if you want Israel to be responsible for living conditions in Gaza, you have to accept Israel administrating Gaza. And I don’t think that’s something most Palestinians want or would accept.

But to be fair to both sides, I’ve never heard anyone say “Al Jazeera has a great animated line-up.”

I feel like I’ve encountered this “keep a pool of cheap dependent labour in a shitty only-on-paper-independent homeland run by a collaborator regime” strategy somewhere before.

The solution to terrorist murder shouldn’t include replicating bad strategies like Bantustans. Make the Palestinians full citizens of Israel instead. They should work in Israel because they’re Israelis.

All well and good until those newly minted citizens start electing members of Hamas to the Knesset.

It might work as well as former IRA members in the British parlament.
I would be worried about Hamas members being free to move around in Israel.

It’s also based on the thoroughly absurd notion that Palestinians in the Gaza Strip have any interest in becoming citizens of Israel.

Where they wouldn’t be in the majority (we are only talking Gaza, not the WB), would be subject to parliamentary procedures and discipline, and would have to be easily-accessible public figures? I don’t really see the downside to that.

Or former ANC members in the South African one…

Around 30+ percent do favour the bi-national solution.

That is an even closer analogy, since the ANC members would have been closed up in bantustans, or so I presume.
I must admit that I am more familiar with Europe.

Only some - others were working/living in South Africa proper, some were in prison, and some were in exile overseas.

I realise I didn’t address the OP - I don’t think Israel can destroy Hamas completely, it’s just too embedded - but it can certainly destroy the known leadership, wherever they are, and attack its funders directly. I wouldn’t rest easy if I was an Iranian scientist or engineer in any way connected with the nuclear or drone programs, for instance.

Aren’t one of Hamas funders Iran? No amount of stomping on Gaza will affect Iran.

Israel seems to have no problem attacking Iranian targets in Iran itself.

When has Israel attacked Iran directly? (really asking)

Just since 2020…
but read the full article for earlier stuff, like the Mossad nuclear secrets heist of '18.

Wow. I am surprised. I mean, I am not surprised there are covert shenanigans between those two but I am surprised I missed the news on the more overt attacks. That’s on me.

Thanks.

I used Bard (Google’s AI system) and asked it if Iran funds Hamas. I just thought this would be interesting. Here is its answer:

Yes, Iran funds Hamas. Iran has been a major financial and military supporter of Hamas for many years. In 2020, the US State Department estimated that Iran provides Hamas with about $100 million a year. Iran also provides Hamas with weapons and training.

Iran’s support for Hamas is part of its broader strategy of supporting anti-Israeli militant groups in the Middle East. Iran views Israel as a major threat to its regional ambitions and to its ideology of exporting the Islamic Revolution.

Iran’s support for Hamas has been condemned by the United States, Israel, and other Western countries. The US has designated Hamas as a terrorist organization and has imposed sanctions on Iran for its support of Hamas.

In recent years, Iran’s support for Hamas has been strained by the Syrian civil war. Iran has supported Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, while Hamas has supported the rebels fighting to overthrow him. However, Iran’s support for Hamas has remained significant, and Iran continues to be one of Hamas’s most important allies.

I then asked Bard if Israel has attacked Iran. This is its answer (it seemed to think long(ish) on this one…but still only seconds):

Israel has not attacked Iran directly. However, there have been numerous incidents of indirect conflict between the two countries. For example, in 2012, Israel was accused of carrying out a covert operation to assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists. In 2018, Israel was accused of carrying out airstrikes on Iranian targets in Syria.

Israel has also been accused of supporting Iranian opposition groups and of sabotaging Iranian nuclear facilities. Iran has accused Israel of carrying out cyberattacks on its infrastructure and of attempting to assassinate its leaders.

The conflict between Israel and Iran is rooted in a number of factors, including the two countries’ opposing views on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, the Iranian nuclear program, and the Syrian civil war.

In recent years, the tensions between Israel and Iran have increased. In 2020, the US assassinated Iranian General Qasem Soleimani, which led to increased threats of retaliation from Iran. In 2021, Iran began enriching uranium to 60% purity, which is close to the level needed for weapons-grade uranium.

The conflict between Israel and Iran is a complex and dangerous one. It is important to note that there is no consensus on the facts of the conflict, and the various parties involved often have different perspectives on what has happened. It is also important to note that the conflict is ongoing, and it is difficult to predict how it will unfold in the future.

Take all that FWIW. I thought it was interesting.

I tried but I cannot link to those responses for here.