Will Jeffrey Epstein's "friends" face justice?

As said, we know that the circlings were done as part of Alfred Rodriguez describing Epstein’s activities to Brad Edwards, from which Edwards crafted a list of people. It was just being used as a memory aid for Rodriguez.

So, we can assume that at least the initial form of the list matched the circlings. We know that Epstein was at least having inappropriate relationships with underaged girls, but we can’t say for certain that, that’s all that was mentioned by Rodriguez. Likewise, we can’t know that Rodriguez was telling the truth.

But, from an Occam’s Razor standpoint that if a person really was arrested and successfully prosecuted then we shouldn’t have any big reason to doubt that someone was lying about him being a criminal. And if we know that the person was successfully charged with the sexual assault of minors then that’s the crime and we shouldn’t assume that there’s any other crimes involved, minus evidence that says otherwise.

Given what we know, we should lean towards thinking that Rodriguez really did know something and that what he knew about was about girls.

Additionally, the history says that no one else outside of Epstein’s household was charged with anything. So we should give the benefit of the doubt to people who visited Epstein to seek his services. If he was tracking down stolen money for people, then that’s probably why those people were there - minus evidence to the contrary.

So we might imagine that the reason that Rodriguez was talking to Edwards about Dershowitz and Trump isn’t to say that they were having sex with minors, but rather to say that they seemed to do (potentially legal and above board) business with Epstein or that they might be able to testify against Epstein.

We know, for example, that Edwards called Trump and that Trump dished on Epstein.

That’s the safest and most supportable version. The list of clients is just literally that. It’s people who might have seen something and who were worth it for Edwards to call.

But, introducing evidence that’s more questionable, we have Maxwell’s description of Epstein’s business was that he tracked down money. But her specific example was to say that he might, say, track down money that was stolen from the Sinaloa Cartel - i.e. his work may not have been entirely above board.

We note that Epstein’s properties were located in New Mexico, Florida, and in the Caribbean. That seems well situated for working with Latin American Mafia - if he was.

A client list doesn’t necessarily need to be dealing with pedophilia to veer into criminality.

Likewise, we have Acosta’s statement that he was told to ignore some amount of what Epstein was doing, because he was an intelligence asset.

So we could, perhaps, just squeeze in the idea that Epstein was doing things, unrelated to young girls, that the US government might have wanted to keep on the down-low and thus is effectively unreported and off-the-radar so far. E.g. he was helping the government to keep tabs on the cartels, helping to recover drug money, who knows.

In this case, a “client list” might have a somewhat more nefarious meaning.

But, we are also told by Maxwell that some of Epstein’s most frequent visitors were lady billionaires. And so far there’s been no mention of Spanish speaking visitors.

It’s not clear to me why female billionaires, in particular, might visit a “stolen money finder”, particularly.

But, as is Maxwell’s habit, for mentioning that he was constantly being visited by wealthy women, nearly every name that has been mentioned is male. I’d currently lean towards thinking that she was just fixating on the few women that visited, rather than there actually being a lot of women.

As of yet, I haven’t seen anything that looks positive for a “blackmailing” business.

Ultimately, adding in all the questionable evidence doesn’t really get us anywhere.

I’d judge that the people on the list are most likely to be potential witnesses. So the real question is what they knew, and what they did with that information.

Some small measure of accountability in the UK: Peter Mandelson loses his posting as ambassador to Washington because of his ties to Epstein.

Quite the contrast from the US, where the authorities moved Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum-security prison to encourage her to exculpate Trump. And the US media continues to indulge the most ludicrous “debate” over whether Trump’s signature in Epstein’s birthday book is really his own.

For the record, it appears that Maxwell’s contribution - for which she received an improved jail cell - was to say that Epstein started going after children sometime after the year 2000.

(At least) Two different women testified that Epstein and Maxwell attacked them in the mid 90s.

One Jane Doe said that she started having sex with Epstein at age 14. Around the same time, he introduced her to Donald Trump. She competed in Trump’s Miss Teen USA in 1998. The youngest participants were 16 that year and the oldest 19, so the introduction would have been between 1993-1996.

Maria Farmer, an artist hired to decorate Epstein’s house in 1996, traveled with her 15 year old sister to one of his homes. In the middle of the night, Epstein and Maxwell attacked the sister, molesting her body against her will.

Farmer reported Epstein and Trump to the FBI, describing the above situation and another at Epstein’s offices some weeks before where Trump had started to act creepy towards her (Maria), like he was going to start putting his hands on her, when Epstein appeared, pulled Trump off, and Trump commented something about Maria looking 16.

Farmer’s accusations from 1996 would, presumably, be among the documents that the Trump administration is withholding.

The records of Trump flying around with Epstein are from 1993 to 1997. We can presume that they had largely stopped hanging out by the year 2000, when Maxwell claims that Epstein developed into a pedophile.

Why are you presuming that? There’s a public record of the Trump-Epstein friendship lasting into the decade of the 2000s. The infamous birthday book was from 2003.

I’d assume that you have relatives who send you holiday cards that you don’t actually spend much time with?

I wouldn’t put a billion dollars on the idea that the two never hung out for even a brief moment after Y2K but, like I said, airplane records only show them flying together until 1997, and she was rewarded for lying and saying that she never saw Epstein go after underaged girls before 2000 - and then was subsequently rewarded for her statements.

If someone tells a gross lie and is rewarded for it, we have to assume that there was some motive behind it.

Contrast? A Diplomat was recalled, likely fired from the service, and Maxwell remains in prison.

Though goddamn the labour government and their ability to screw stuff up. This could have been a win for them, Stamer could have got rid of him the moment it broke, just said unambiguously that no one associated with Epstein has any place in his government in any form. But instead he defended him for a while and then sacked him anyway.

To be clear: it’s not that Mandelson would have been involved with young girls (that would be a real surprise, not least to his husband), rather another example of his fanboy money-worship and velcroing himself to ostentatious wealth. (Rough rule of thumb for British political scandals: with the Tories it’s about sex, with Labour it’s about money).