Will Obama pardon Clinton and should she accept?

Article over at The Hill titled as above.

It’s interesting to ponder the dynamics of the situation. Will Obama pardon to save his former Secretary of State any possibility of prosecution? Would Hillary accept it, knowing that such an acceptance implies guilt of at leasr something?

It would be quite a quandary for Clinton. She may believe that Trump won’t pursue matters when in office but Trump is such a mercurial character that there is no banking on that. Does she take the putative pardon with all its implications and rest secure in the knowledge that she’s safe against malignant prosecutions or does she say to hell with it, I’ll face whatever comes?

For myself I’m not sure whether Obama will pardon but I am pretty sure that Clinton would not accept one.

Pardon her for what? So far as I know she has not committed a crime. Why would she need a pardon?

Would The Donald’s administration want to waste their time prosecuting Hillary? It’s hardly an open-and-shut case, and it could drag out for the entire four years. Plus, after these four years that will be about all the administration would get done, without a guaranty of success.

The danger of an administration prosecuting the previous one is that it gives permission for the next administration to go after the present one … why bother when there’s money to be made …

Because Trump might go after her anyway, that’s why, and it’s just possible that if a prosecution flung enough dirt some of it might stick.

You can’t pardon someone for future convictions.

I doubt he offers, and I suspect that privately the Clintons have probably suggested that the issue not even come up. There is nothing to indict the Clintons for, so there is no reason for a pardon.

Should congress or the president actually follow through on another investigation and seriously raise the issue of prosecution - and God forbid actually go through with it - the backlash would be immense and the republicans would probably find it very, very difficult to govern – at least in the democratic sense.

It’s the same reason that Obama chose not to indict Cheney, who actually did commit wrongdoing by pressuring the intelligence community into manufacturing a casus belli to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Evidence or not, Obama realized that actually prosecuting Cheney would have exhausted all of the energy his administration had. There would have been talk of almost nothing else.

You can’t pardon someone for future crimes, but you can pardon everything they’ve done up until today, and prevent any future conviction for it. If this happened, a federal prosecutor would have to find a supposedly criminal act that occurred after January 20th 2017.

How do you figure?

I mean, here we are in Obama’s lame-duck days, considering this – and if Hillary doesn’t get pardoned, and does get prosecuted, then all the Trump administration has to do in its lame-duck days, is, y’know, pardons all around.

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I did not know that.

Thanks.

And there is precedent for it. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon:

So Ford gave clemency to Nixon to avoid any future issues regardless if Nixon was found guilty or not.

Didn’t we already do this? Oh, right, we did:

Obama should Pardon Hillary… And Trump

Should Obama preemptively pardon Clinton? Can he?

Do I recall correctly - accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt? If so, it would make more sense for Trump to pardon Hillary - she either accepts it if an investigation gets too close, or Trump looks like a forgiving guy.

But I doubt if anyone will pardon anyone. The election is over, and so is Hillary.

Regards,
Shodan

It seems to “imply” a confession of guilt, rather an technically be an admission. But I agree, Obama doesn’t need to pardon Mrs. Clinton and she is unlikely to need one. She’s history, and irrelevant. (Sad)

Learned something new today. I thought a pardon was effective regardless of “acceptance.” There is nothing in the Constitution about requiring the pardoned person to accept the pardon. The Supreme Court, however, sees it differently:

Comey’s speech was very clear about the results of his investigation. He explained how Clinton’s conduct was not anything that would normally be prosecuted.

But that’s not the same thing as ‘not committed a crime.’

Here is an analogy: you are walking along your favorite hiking trail and you see a magnificent sight. A bald eagle swoops down and kills a young raccoon caught in the open. (Well, grisly and magnificent all at once, perhaps). As the bird flies away with its prize, you see a single feather left behind on the ground and decide to keep it, at least long enough to validate your story as you tell your friends.

This is not the kind of conduct that would normally be prosecutable. I doubt the federal government would ever choose to ask a grand jury to indict you for those facts.

But it’s a crime: as everyone should remember, 16 U.S.C. § 668(a) provides that anyone who knowingly transports or possesses any part of a American bald eagle shall be fined not more than $5,000 or imprisoned not more than one year or both. There is an exception for scientific or exhibition purposes of public museums, scientific societies, and zoological parks, or for the religious purposes of Native Americans, but not for your desire to commemorate your sight of the eagle on your hike.

In shorter words: it’s technically a crime, but not a set of facts that would ever be prosecuted.

This is true also with Clinton’s conduct.

18 USC § 793(f) provides anyone who, through gross negligence, transmits classified information to an unauthorized person is subject to fine or imprisonment. Comey’s point was that no one has ever been prosecuted for negligently violating this law – despite a constant barrage of claims like, “If I did that, I’d be in jail!” the truth is that prosecutors have never chosen to bring criminal charges unless the motives for disclosure went beyond negligence and into profit, or emnity/revenge/animus.

We don’t typically prosecute people for picking up the feather, in other words, even though the act is technically a crime. In Clinton’s case, the strict letter of the law is that her acts could certainly serve as the basis for an indictment, and if a jury believed her conduct was grossly negligent, is legally sufficient to sustain a conviction.

It’s just never done, because it’s a hypertechnical application of the law.

That was the substance of Comey’s message, and (in my view) it was essentially correct.

So, now we imagine Trump making the decisions. He’s already signaled that he does not intend to pursue the matter, of course, but Trump is nothing if not mercurial. He could certainly find a slimy but ambitious special prosecutor and say, in effect, “Pretend Clinton plays lacrosse and you’re Mike Nifong. Get her!” And the subsequent prosecution would be unprecedented, but it would certainly rest on probable cause to believe that Clinton committed an actual act that was, at least technically, a crime.

tl;dr – she technically did commit a crime, and it’s possible but unlikely that she would need a pardon because Trump has shown himself vindictive, unethical, and unpredictable.

How does one accept a pardon? What the President says, goes, right? If the President pardons someone who is already in jail, can they just say “nah, I like it here, three hots and a cot, with no job and no bills, thanks but no thanks”?

Since she has already been investigated and acquitted for the email issue, isn’t it a question of double jeopardy? Same with Benghazi. She sat through many congressional hearings and was found not guilty. There is nothing to charge Hillary for that she hasn’t already been acquitted of.

She hasn’t been charged or indicted with a crime nor has she gone through a trial in a court of law.

She hasn’t been “acquitted,” so double jeopardy doesn’t apply. Since she’s never been formally charged with a crime, she can’t be considered acquitted. She was never found “not guilty” of any crime in a formal criminal proceeding.

Honest question: Did either of you read the link in the OP?