Will The Republicans ever figure out why they lost?

Ref: Pigs, Bay of.

When they had Cambodia they sure did a great job of filling the graves.

Acceptable and better than the alternative are two different things. We still follow that policy today, although we haven’t really decided in the Middle East whether the military dictators or the Islamists are preferable.

And many other countries are democracies today because we either supported their military governments, or overthrew their Marxist governments. For every Iran there are five Chiles.

Why thank you, many USA democrats made advertisements that told the Chileans to vote against Pinochet and he lost the referendum that would allowed him to continue to be the dictator of Chile.

You act as if Democrats had a different foreign policy from Republicans during the Cold War. far from it. There was practically no daylight between Democrats and Republicans back then on how to handle the Third World. Kennedy and Truman did just as much covert action against unfriendly governments as Nixon and Eisenhower and Reagan.

Of course it was not much different, but eventually it is clear who is trying to make amends and who is trying to sweep everything under the rug. Obama did visit the tomb of Monsignor Romero and he has not cut aid to the Salvadoran government just because it is now under the control of the former rebels right now.

Well yes, Democrats apologize more sincerely, that’s very nice of them.:slight_smile:

Aid speaks louder than the cowardice expressed by the ones that call for coups just when there is a whiff of political incorrectness, as one doper said in the past, “democracy is not for sissies”.

Every civilized country has equipped their schools with internet. Here states and communities run schools. If Obama wants our schools in the 2000s for technology…our suburban scool already is…what tools does Obama have?

Most European countries have gone into a partnership with industry to keep technology and infrastructure up to date. Germany is now winning with inovation. They can’t do it by cutting jobs. Wages were cut in many companies over the slump.

Once unemployment is back to normal figures, we will be behind Europe. France will have the first running fusion reactor.

Tax and spend does not all go in welfare mom’s pockets.

The republicans are losing because cutting taxes does not work as a solution to all ills.

And speaking of the subject at hand, just in case one thinks that this issue of coups in Latin America is not relevant one has to remember clowns like DeMint and Mitch McConnell.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27862.html

The point is that indeed, there are is a lot of stupid and undemocratic behavior coming from the Republicans nowadays, and it is one piece of the narrative that explains why the Republicans lost. Romney also supported that twisted old cold war mentality regarding military coups in Latin America.

On what grounds do you assume the possibility of a fusion reactor?

I don’t care who gets to it first if they can pull off a fusion reactor.

And Democrats lost starting in the 1980s, because they thought government was a solution to all ills but often made problems worse.

The Republicans lost in 2012. I am not convinced that the Republicans are “losing”. Talk to me after this November, or better yet, the November after.

As for why they lost in 2012, there were many factors, any one of which might not be a problem in 2014 or 2016. And since the election was close, if any one of those factors doesn’t go the Democrats’ way as well as it did in 2012, the GOP wins. One of those factors being unusually high turnout by young people and minorities, and unusually high margins for the Democrats among those groups. If either turnout drops, or those groups go back to supporting Republicans at historical levels, the GOP is in good shape. Which is why I’ll be watching the exit polling in Virginia and New Jersey this November very closely. Who votes and in what numbers is going to tell us more about the state of the parties than the final results in those particular races.

Please do not compare 1 data point to multiple ones

If you are going to make some kind of a point, take the last 10 years of Congress and White House control vs. the 10 years in the 80’s.

The Republicans lost and are losing. 10 years ago, they had all 3 branches of government, for the last 4 years, they’ve had 1, and 1 election was won by massive gerrymandering whereupon the Dems got a million more votes and still lost. And you can’t even claim the Dems are losing because they’ve upped their numbers in both the Senate and House from the last election vs. 2010, albeit by small amounts.

In the 80’s, taking the 96th-100th Congresses (1979-1989) you had Republican presidents, 6 years of Republican Senate control in the middle, and a Dem House. People wanted government help, especially after seeing what kind of dog-eat-dog world the GOP thrust upon them, and went back early next decade to either a Dem House or Senate with Bill Clinton as president. So even if the Dems started losing in the 1980’s, they righted the ship by the end of the decade.

LOL! There’s ALWAYS “many” factors, there’s never one single reason an election is lost. But the indisputable factors are demographic changes, the loss of the traditional Republican base, increased immigration, and the continual polarization of the extremist Republicans and infighting. Any one of those things can affect an election greatly. Taking all of them together along with the not-easily-corrected generational changes that are affecting voters and you have a perfect storm of liberal voters.

What **YogSosoth **said, and on the coming elections front:

Funny to see **adaher **wanting to just look at exit polls, the current ones are not good.

The gender gap is growing in Virginia, because Cuccinelli does the typically stupid shooting of their own foot as Republicans are so prone to do this days.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/08/21/214224092/gender-gap-doesnt-budge-in-virginia-governors-race

Of course a single issue will not do, but Cuccinelli is still shooting himself in the **other **foot with his climate science denialism.

Some Pubs get it. Chad Brown, the co-chairman of the Polk County, Iowa, GOP just resigned, and registered as an independent, over Steve King’s “immigrant drug-mule” remarks, and over the GOP’s positions on gun control and climate change.

But the problem is, apparently, any Republican who does figure out why they lost . . . can no longer be a Republican. The party has gone too far to save.

Problem is, the same argument was made in 1976. Young people then became more conservative and an extremist Republican got elected President. Only takes one Democratic screwup President for young people to switch allegiances. It’s happening again. Notice how all of a sudden Obama’s shifting to college costs? He sees the same polls.

As pointed before, that is not the only factor, and I have see that while it is true that Obama has lost ground with the Young people, the reports I have seen tell us that the young dislike the Republicans even more.

Again, the overall picture is that more than a single issue is affecting the Republicans negatively.

And worse, those young Republicans who exist can’t make any headway with the old guard.

Yet they still win or stay close, so they don’t have to solve all of even most of them to win in 2014 or 2016.