Will The Republicans ever figure out why they lost?

So white trash is going to save America. Good thing I play the banjo.

Bada-banga-banga-banga-RING.

Bada-ba-BING-a

And now yew ken squeal lak a pig! :smiley:

I don’t disagree in principle, but CEOs will find ways to get around it (to live in palaces of gold). They’d probably take their earnings in undervalued IRAs or other rapidly appreciating investments. The paychecks of the proles would naturally circulate upwards in the economy to those that do not need to spend the majority of their money on amenities.

One reason the TP is hard to identify is that their ideas of tax “policy” make no sense-- as a collective policy, it doesn’t exist because each TP member is offended by the idea of government sticking its greedy fingers into his or her pockets, but makes special exception for those taxes that he or she finds acceptable. Since this is literally on a person-by-person basis, and since this infuriating situation of having one’s pockets picked by a thieving faceless gummint is their prime motivation, every TP member is literally a member of a party of one, meaning that (almost) all of them are going to be full of vitriol and mistrust for (almost) every other one of them. You will find small pockets that have exactly aligned interests, of course, so that these pockets rather than literally individuals will be opposed to each other, but they will be fighting internally for the most part, and often contrary to their own self-interests. It is mostly the TPers in Congress who are pushing us over the fiscal cliff right now, not realizing or understanding that the economy depends on Wall Street’s assurance of economic stability.

This already happened. It led to the rise of compensating CEOs with cheap stock options that could be redeemed for huge gains if the stock prices went up. Good in theory, but in practice this just exacerbated the trend toward making all decisions short-term to affect an immediate rise in the stock rather than for the long-term good of the company.

Hmm . . . So, can you think of any (non-revolutionary) measure to make the CEOs less obscenely-and-irresponsibly wealthy, that those Harvard MBAs and all their little imps and demons and accountants couldn’t outwit?

Dude, if you have a huge group of highly motivated experts who spend all day long thinking about nothing but ways to increase the money that they’ll get, do you think any force on earth can stop them? Chartered Accountant Man wasn’t even effective on Monty Python.

Considering that executives in other countries tend to have far lower salaries than in the US, yes. This isn’t some inevitable social phenomenon; this is an American problem.

I agree. The consequence is that an American solution will have to be found. It’s like gun control. There may be an answer, but it will take a total reversal of societal attitudes over a generation to achieve. You can’t simply legislate one.

:frowning: OK, revolution it is, then. sigh

Romney Wishes Hurricane Sandy Hadn’t Happened Because It Hurt His Chances

On the list of things that did damage to Romney, I’d put Sandy somewhere around #10. #1 was Todd Akin.

You can talk about Hispanics, youth, whatever, but the big gap that opened up was the gender gap. Republicans need to figure out how to consolidate the gains they’ve made with men while closing the gap with women. Especially professional women, a group Republicans should be winning by virtue of income. There’s just no excuse for Republicans to not clean up among wealthy voters the way Democrats do among poor voters.

With the positions Republicans have on Abortion, rape and gender equality in general, the gender gap **will **remain.

And issues like the pea brained opposition to controlling global warming gas emissions will lead to hefty prices to pay for not doing anything early. That alone will tell many wealthy Americans to stop supporting the blind that want to continue to lead.

Well, environmentalism is primarily the purview of well off white liberals. as the Democratic Party becomes more minority, environmentalism will fall further and further down the priority list. Which is an opportunity for Republicans, who do actually have some ideas on climate change, such as a revenue neutral carbon tax.

The GOP needs about 3-5% of the vote to win Presidential elections. IT doesn’t matter which voters they get. If they can run up bigger margins among rich white people, that works just as well as losing by less with Hispanic voters.

As the “Democratic party becomes more minority” Well, I would like a Pony too, as there is some sources talking about the revenue neutral carbon tax I have noticed that the conservatives that propose it now are people outside the current Republicans in power, do you have any measures coming with that tax from the Republican house?

As mythical as a Pony, the current crop of Republicans will not propose a carbon tax, they are only constantly disparaging the science and voting against any regulations, so I would have to say that reality is not their friend either, once the very likely changes caused by the increase in CO2 becomes more noticeable the irresponsibility of the Republicanism will become more clear to the wealthy in America.

That’s political posturing. Their base does not want anything done on climate change. The calculus changes when environmentalists disgruntled that Democrats aren’t paying enough attention to their issue start to look elsewhere.

The Democratic base is made up of a lot of groups with competing and often opposing agendas. From time to time, it will be possible to pick up some voters that way. A good example right now is liberals concerned with civil liberties. Hand the reigns over more to the libertarian side of the GOP and a lot of those types will be inclined to support us. Obama is killing the party’s brand right now on surveillance issues and the GOP should try to benefit from that.

Nope, it is clear that you are not informed on what has been happening:

Another one where the ignorance shows, most leaders, even Republicans, were advised on those surveillance activities and did not make a move, that they are only reacting after the cat is out of the bag to what had bi-partisan support is not anything to be proud of.

Rand Paul did react, and he’s the unofficial leader of the libertarian wing of the party. Which is growing in strength.

Mind you, I didn’t say that the GOP was winning civil libertarians, only that there’s an opportunity to win civil libertarians. And environmentalists.

We’re only talking 3-5% of the vote here. They don’t have to suddenly start winning any group to win elections, they just have to maintain their dominance where they dominate and lose by a little less with some groups who the Democrats dominate: such as environmentalists and civil libertarians. And there are many other opportunities. Likewise, Democrats have opportunities to win some traditionally Republican contituencies, but it seems like they’ve given up on persuasion in favor of just waiting for demographics to bail them out.

Kerry Emmanuel and other Republican scientists like Bickmore and Richard Alley make a mockery about the “Just waiting for demographics” point. Just ignoring the cite is not going to work for you.

I agree with you here. But you aren’t talking about the area where Obama is most guilty of falling down on the job, and that’s jobs and Wall Street. Obama has shown little, if any, interest in actually doing anything to get more Americans working, other than saying he’d like that to happen, and he is clearly a tool for Wall Street. Republicans could pick up a LOT of dissatisfied Democrats if they had credible plans to get middle class Americans working again – by that I mean, something other than slobbering on the knobs of wealthy “job creators.” And if they had a credible plan to reign in the big banks, something Obama clearly can’t and won’t do.

I don’t think Democrats need to worry about either of those things occurring. Sad day for the Republicans!