Will The Republicans ever figure out why they lost?

You want the Dems to have more guts? Give 'em yours. Other than that, what have you got?

Any turnout predictions for the 2014 midterms?

The trouble with Mr. Smith’s analysis is the people who don’t much think of themselves as “white”, specifically. I was raised amongst people who did think of themselves as white, but they are mostly gone now. My generation and younger, we only think about white as a default choice on a form: yeah, white, I guess, sure…

So of course we include hispanics and asians as “white”, so long as they don’t mind. The important thing is not to refine the distinction, but to cease giving a shit about it.

In the words of St. Francis of Zappa, “Hey, people, I’m not black but there’s a whole lot of times I wish I could say I’ wasn’t white.”

And the problem with that candidate is that he or she will have to say a ton of stupid shit to get through the primaries, much like mr self deportation and i hate the health care plan i invented did.

Get rid of Harry Reid. That would be a good start.

Had the democrats had a competent senate majority leader, the filibuster rules could’ve been changed in 2009. And if the democrats were actually serious about progressive reform (which they aren’t, true progressive reform pisses off billionaires and companies collectively worth trillions) they could’ve gotten alot done in 2009 and 2010 since they’d only need 50 senators plus Biden.

I tend to think the democrats just pretend to be progressive, the plutocracy is so entrenched that the dems aren’t going to take it on anytime soon. They will pretend to be progressive to get votes and donations, but when push comes to shove they’ll always be outclassed and fall a few votes short.

Whats the solution? I don’t think there is one.

It won’t be as lopsided as 2010. In 2010 people were voting against one party rule, the GOP was hypermotivated and the democrats were not. Plus people had no idea how bad obstructionism would be. In 2014 people are going to vote while gov. is divided, they see how bad obstructionism is and both parties have roughly equal motivation.

So it’ll be more of a tie, I would assume. The same way the senate in 2006, 2008 and 2010 were all lopsided in one direction or another, but 2012 was mostly a tie with only a handful of seats changing parties.

I am tempted to doubt whether any senator of either party really wants the filibuster gone. You might be in the majority party now, but you’ll be in the minority someday . . .

Here’s a few.

Third parties would hurt liberals more than conservatives. The Democratic Party, as has been pointed out here by people other than me, is a coalition of moderates and liberals, while the GOP is pretty much solely the province of the right these days. If moderates or liberals had a viable third option, the Democratic Party would splinter in short order, leaving the GOP as the single largest party. Assuming a Parliamentary system, they’d get first dibs at forming a majority with the moderate party.

Progressives’ strength comes from being the most motivated group inside that party structure. If they had to stand on their own, they’d be about as influential as the Green Party.

These comments can be paraphrased as
“Those tricky Democrats adopted our reasonable positions. That forced us to adopt wacky positions too far to the right. Shame on the Democrats!”
What does this tell you?

For this odd comment, I think the best punchline is Don Rumsfeld’s:
“You’re stuck with the GOP you have, not the GOP you wished you had.”

The Democrats adopt a Republican pose, they don’t actually govern that way, Clinton excepted. Obama just ran a Clintonian campaign in 2008, while intending to govern like Walter Mondale.

Good luck finding a progressive to agree with that statement.

ETA: That was intended to be just a comment on that particular comment. But I think we should make it a sticky. It would save a lot of time.

I very much doubt that Obama “intended” to “govern” as he is, he most likely did not anticipate the level of hair-tearing obstruction he encountered.

Well sure, he planned to do amnesty, cap and trade, health care, tax increases, spending increases, all in the first two years.

By any chance, is your source for this the same as the source for your other astonishing revelations?

Yeah, it’s time to drop that socialistic program of cap and trade and implement a market-based solution. What a pinko commie :rolleyes:

He tried to pass all of those. Some did, some didn’t. Why would you think that what he actually tried to do, publicly, is some kind of “revelation”?

For starters, there is no amnesty, and we know already, you are using definitions that are not even in the dictionary.

Fine, call it immigration reform where people who broke the law pay fines instead of getting deported. Unless of course the fines are waived.

What I love is how the President is saying he isn’t getting everything he wants in the Gang of 8 bill. I’d love to know what he wants that he’s not getting.

Senate Rules need 2/3 to be changed. The so called “nuclear option” that Frist proposed was basically the Majority Leader just ignoring Senate rules.