You don’t win on social issues by just waiting around, and you certainly don’t win on social issues by importing millions of people from countries where gay marriage won’t happen in our lifetimes and where reproductive rights are curtailed.
Right now minority voters go along because they want to be in the car, but the white dude insists on driving. Once the white dude has to get in the back seat, the car is going to be going in a different direction. As we saw in Illinois, where Democrats’ attempt to pass gay marriage was scuttled by lobbying by African-American churches. Expect to see a lot more of that.
[shrug] Maybe you can – they left those countries, didn’t they? But, what matters is winning on the economic issues.
We can deal with it. It’s an acceptable tradeoff if those churches will back real universal health care, etc.
Like immigration reform? oh, i forgot latinos don’t really care about that.
I’m not sure that most liberals would be willing to sell out the civil rights of various people just to get support for a modified version of what we already have, universal health care.
But if the Democrats did, that just means Republicans can start winning over more women and gays.
Immigration reform is about getting more votes in the future. As I said, white Democrats are under the illusion that they’ll run the party forever. Just because they can force minority Democrats to toe the line now doesn’t mean they’ll be able to in the future.
Right now, minority Democratic politicians tend to be the most liberal of the liberal. But that’s because the party hierarchy backs the most liberal viable candidate. Once whites stop holding the reins, minority electorates are more likely to elect minority politicians who actually represent them, rather than the white party leadership.
Remember, that according to many people in this thread, the main reason moderate and even some conservative voters are turned off is because the GOP is viewed as racist or anti-woman.
If the Democratic Party becomes no better, do you really think a crusade to turn the ACA into a single payer system will keep those voters in the democratic camp?
Do you think these positions through at all before you post them? If the Democratic party starts being seen as racist (dead Dixiecrats come back to life?) and is now “no better” than the Republican party, why would you think all the people who are opposed to racism suddenly vote Republican?
Clearly if both major parties dissolve into nothing more than two sides arguing over how best to deny each other rights, we will then have a viable third party. People aren’t going to go, “Well, damn. It’s racism against me or racism against others, so I better pick the politics that match my skin tone.” They’re going to stop supporting both. How is that not immediately obvious to you?
And if the best hope for the Republican party is that in 10, 20, or 30+ years the Democratic party is mired in race-based infighting, then the USA is well and truly screwed. I want the Republicans to start acting like we all live on the same planet. I want a viable opposition party. And to be perfectly honest, I don’t care which party it is. If the Republicans suddenly adopted a platform I liked I’d vote for them in a heartbeat while hoping the Democrats played the role of loyal opposition. I have never got to vote in an election like that. My choice has been between center-right and progressively crazier. It sucks. The Republicans need to reclaim part of the center and force some crazy into the Democratic party. I want to see everyone agree on the what’s wrong and the debate be over how to fix it. I don’t want the 41st attempt to repeal the ACA or listen to Congressmen talk about watching a fetus masturbate.
What you describe as the negative outcome is basically third world politics. Which is what you get when your country imports third world politics. Which is why all sovereign nations control immigration levels.
Now I don’t actually think we’re going to end up with what the Democrats think we’re going to end up with. I’m just pointing out that if we did, then this country wouldn’t be the same country anymore. We’d look more like Lebanon, with party affiliation based primarily on sectarianism.
The way things will actually happen is that by 2050, we’ll be slightly less whiter, and a lot richer. Race will continue to be less and less of an issue as time goes on, and race will be much less of a predictor of party affiliation as a result. Both parties will be to the right of where they are now on economic issues, and to the left of where they are now on social issues.
The only way we get to where the Democrats think we’re getting to is to import 100 million foreigners over the next 10-20 years, which ain’t gonna happen, and if it did, it would mean not only the end of the GOP as we know it, but the end of the Democratic Party as we know it as well. Instead, we’d end up with a right-wing party a lot like Britain’s UKIP, and a left-wing revolutionary party akin to the old-style PRI party that used to have a monopoly of power in Mexico. Your opinion on these developments wouldn’t matter, because you’d be part of a tiny group of holdout liberals with no home that no one cared about.
This is possible I suppose (though I think moving both parties moving right on economic issues is very unlikely), but I just find it funny that you think Republicans will get more non-white voters without making any new efforts for it- somehow it will just happen.
They already make efforts, Democrats are just doing a better job, and they do it mainly by appealing to grievance and basically saying you aren’t an authentic black or Hispanic if you vote Republican.
If you think this is how the Democrats do it, then you have little hope of actually attracting minorities to the Republican party.
He’s already told us that, if that turns out not to be possible, then their way back to power is to work even harder to make white voters aware of the threat the brown-skinned pose to their social dominance. But it’s actually the *Democrats *who are the racists.
OMGABC, I hope you’ve been taking notes. This is who you’ve got on your side.
Not so long as the GOP continues to bear any resemblance to its present formation, they won’t.
And you know that how?
No, it isn’t. The USA does not need the Republican Party or anything it stands for. Maybe we need more than one party, but we do not need any conservative party. The GOP, or any party representing RW or even conservative politics, is absolutely worse than useless to America. This is not a situation where each party is needed to restrain the other’s excesses. That might be the case if our two-party system were the Democrats v. the Socialists.
Errmmm, no. That is not the reason at all.
Because they assume that only the GOP would have to change in a less white country.
The Democrats would change even more. Unless they assume they’ll still be running it.
Not change. Decline.
Most Democrats are white now, and that won’t change for decades, and the white Democrats won’t care when it does. Most white Dems who would care migrated to the GOP years ago and the rest will be dead by then.
White liberals don’t care because they are in charge. When their favored issues get put on the backburner, they’ll care a lot. And your assumption that the Democrats have already lost all the white voters they are going to lose is a heck of an assumption.