Will the Segway ("Ginger") change the world as we know it?

I think the safety aspect isn’t being considered as well as it should, especially for indoor use. Really, remember that we were taught not to run in the halls in first grade? Now ADULTS will be ‘running’ in the halls? Ever walk around the corner at work and slam into someone coming around the other way? Now imagine slamming into someone going 3 times that speed with an 80 lb ankle-breaker under his feet…

If these things are allowed on sidewalks and indoors, it’ll be with strict rules limiting their speed to walking speed or even slower. And if I’m at walking speed, I’d rather be *walking than standing on some slow-moving mobile platform.

Oh, and at walking speed a human can stop pretty much instantly, and even pull himself back out of the way of something coming around the corner. From what I’ve seen of the Segway it’s pretty manoeverable, but not as manoeverable as a human standing on his own feet.

Having a few of these things tooling around the tight corridors of my office would be a giant pain in the ass.

Sidewalks would be worse. Exits from stores and alleys give you almost no warning, and a Segway certainly won’t stop instantly when it’s going full tilt. So I can just see it now - Joe Blow is late for work, blasting along at 12 mph, and not paying much attention because the sidewalk is empty. So he’s staring at the babe across the street, and suddenly a door to a shop opens and a kid comes charging out.

How many times does that have to happen before Segways are banned from sidewalks?

erislover wrote:

Yeah, especially since Chee-Tos[TM] are just soooooooo gross! They don’t even taste like cheese. They taste like assault-flavored vaguely-cheese-related salt mines, with the shape and chew-texture of styrofoam packing peanuts.

No, much better, in my opinion, to get pissy about lazy-asses eating pizza.

Clashing with pedestrians and cab drivers never stopped cyclists, rollerbladers, and razor scooters.

It’s price tag is exactly the reason you’ll see them in Manhattan on the streets, sidewalks, and in Central Park.

Also, this is kind of a stretch but it may be possible that people will get it prescribed for medical reasons and have it covered by insurance.

I saw it on television this afternoon and I was extremely impressed - my first thought was “I want one.” I don’t know whether they’ll change the world, but they look damn cool.

Sam,
I think you are underestimating the power of simple rules and common sense to get some order in there. After all cars can be highly dangerous if driven recklessly but most of the time they are OK. In parks you frequently have bikers, roller-bladers,joggers etc on the same path.

I think the Segways have a mechanism to stop them from banging into each other so the main problem is separating the walkers from them. Perhaps large buildings might cordon out separate areas where they are allowed to move at a higher speed. If the use of Segways as rentals in tourist areas becomes common then museums have a good incentive to make their interior Segway-friendly.

Uhhh…would anyone have a cite for Segways having sensors and automatic avoidance routines? :confused:

CyberPundit: I don’t think the Segway has any collision avoidance or other navigation capabilities at all. It’s just a big controller for a human to drive a couple of motors.

And sure, there will be rules on how Segways can be used. That’s exactly the type of thing I’m talking about. By the time the rules are instituted, the Segway will be much less useful. Their speed will be limited to walking speed in many areas, at which point the Segway becomes a net liability.

No cite for the collision avoidance. I though I saw it being demonstrated during the GMA spot but maybe I misunderstood.

Did anyone else see GMA yesterday?

Oh my lord, I just saw the promo video. After much deep and measured thought, my reaction is:

bwuuuhhhahahahaha!!

… Ahem. I mean, come ON, this promo piece is like a really really bad over-the-top SNL infocommercial takeoff. Like anyone would be caught dead scooting around on one of these things?!?

Not to make fun of the folks that need them, but have you ever seen a (usually elderly) person riding around the grocery store on one of those a little electric carts, and thought to yourself, “wow, cool! I want one of those!!” Of course not.

Segway is indeed a very cool piece of engineering. Very. But I really can’t see this becoming ‘the’ thing for general tranportation use, ever.

Yes. :smiley:

Hmmm. I’m not sure why, but when I try to imagine what you naysayers look like, I get a mental image of an old guy on his porch shaking his fist at the kids scooting across his lawn. Weird.

Maybe you’re right though. Maybe these newfangled contraptions will never catch on.

But I’ve been doing a mental tally over the past couple of days of all the times I would have used a Segway, and it adds up in a hurry. Trip to video store. Check. Trip to restaurant to meet friends. Check. Commute to work. Check and check. Etc.

It depends on the layout of your neighborhood, I suppose. If you live in a sprawling suburb 20 miles from your office, then yeah, I can imagine how you might see this as a “toy,” because it wouldn’t be practical for you. But for those of us who live in neighborhoods closer to a downtown area, it would be extremely useful. Great for trips that are a little too far for walking, but close enough that you would feel guilty taking a car.

I also see it as a way to help cut down on smog in urban areas like Atlanta (which has a serious smog problem that is getting worse). If folks who live intown used Segways instead of cars for all of the short trips they make, that would go a long way toward reducing the haze.

spoke- wrote:

Um … all of the suggestions you’ve given here for uses for the Segway would work equally well with a bicycle. And bicycles are lighter than the Segway and less than 1/10th the up-front cost. (Plus, bikes have that whole exercise thing going for them.)

tracerassault flavor? :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Sigh. Please read my previous post. I love my bicycle, but it is not always practical for these uses. You are restricted in the type of clothes you can wear while riding a bicycle (I am not going to be tooling to work in a suit on my bike), plus it is not a transportation option in the Atlanta summer unless you want to arrive at your destination hot and sweaty.

Spoke: I did some thinking about those types of uses. Trip to the video store? When I get a video, I usually stop in there on my way home from work. Run out at night for milk? Sure, there are a number of convenience stores near me, with the closest being about a mile away. So I hop on my Segway, and suddenly my quick milk run to the store eats up probably a half hour of my evening. (12 mph max speed. Average speed much lower because of time taken going over curbs, up hills, parking and locking the thing up, etc.

If I take my bike, I’ll be there and back in half the time. If I drive, the whole thing takes about 10 minutes. And anyway, plenty of studies have shown that people will tend to drive to a destination even just a few blocks away, because it’s just so much easier and faster than walking. It’s not so much laziness as it is a desire to just get the task done. And the people who DO walk instead of drive tend to do so for the exercise benefit, and not because it’s a better solution. But the Segway has no exercise benefit. So explain to me again why I would want to take one to the store instead of driving my car? What, to save 15 cents in gas? My time is worth a lot more than that!

I live in the suburbs, so other than my local convenience store, ANY other trip pretty much means five miles or more, and my Segway is a giant pain in the ass. Let’s say I have a friend who lives 5 miles away. That’s almost an HOUR of standing on a platform to get there and back, vs about 15 minutes by car. I would never, ever do this. If I wanted an alternative method of transportation, a motorcycle or bicyle makes WAY more sense, for a lot less money.

For this benefit I’m paying $3,000?

And no, we’re not all old crotchety people, but many of us are no longer students or single people with oodles of time on our hands. I have a family and a zillion commitments. I have a hard enough time finding an hour in the day to sit down and read the SDMB, and I’m supposed to waste a couple of hours a day standing on a $3,000 moving platform? Ain’t gonna happen. Ever.

I represent a much larger constituency than the young students or single adults do. And people like me have a ton of political clout. So you aren’t going to see the cities being modified to accomodate your Segway, which means it’ll be useless. Because you can’t drive it on the road, and IF they let it be driven on the sidewalk it will be with severe speed limits that will probably make the Segway more of a hassle than just walking.

I’m excited about this thing, but for niche markets. These things would be GREAT for University campuses, military bases, large factories, and for mobile workers like beat cops and postal carriers. And that’s such a huge market that the company is gearing up production for 40,000 units a month, just for industrial use! If they are right about that much demand, this will be the most popular vehicle in the world soon. Every factory will have a few of them sitting around for people to hop on when they need to get across the floor. Every university professor will have one to get from class to class. Groundskeepers and maintenence men will have them.

They might even be the new Golf Cart - hang the clubs on the front, and off you go. Maybe these things will be multi-purpose enough to make owning one a reasonable decision. If I can use it as a golf cart and never have to rent again, that’s a factor. And maybe I can take it on trips for use sight-seeing. And then maybe my kid can use it to get back and forth to the friend’s place before supper. There might be enough uses like that to make owning a Segway a reasonable decision for me. Hell, I could ‘power walk’ the dog, keeping up a good speed for her to get real exercise. That’s tricky to do on a bike, but might be easy on a Segway. So they WILL make their way into many homes.

And I may buy one for my mother, who is the prototypical example of someone who really COULD benefit from one of these - she’s 65, she never learned how to drive, and therefore she’s completely dependent on others to get her around. She’s healthy enough to walk and take the bus, but old enough that walking to the corner store or a friend’s place is a lot of effort and leaves her sore later. If she had a Segway, her immediate circle of mobility would expand by a factor of three, allowing her to really get around easily to the corner store, a friend’s place, or just tool around the neighborhood to get some fresh air.

As people age and start to lose mobility, there comes a point at which they don’t need a wheelchair yet, but getting around has started to become difficult. The Segway could fill that gap at a reasonable cost. That is a major life improvement for those people, and they are typically the ones who can afford to buy one. There’s another few hundred thousand units in sales.

So I’m not down on the thing - I think it will be a hugely successful product. It just won’t be a mass people mover, and it will NEVER cause automobiles to become extinct, even in crowded city centers.

#2 and #4 I will agree.

#1, #3, and #6 are currently available in only one electric wheelchair so far – the “Fred” project that Dean Kamden developed before “Ginger” (Segway).

Conventional wheelchairs are far from being all-terrain vehicles, because they are unable to accomodate steep and slippery surfaces. Apparently Kamden’s got some complex computer software that analyzes traction and slippage from the wheels in real-time and shifts power and spin to compensate. I’ve seen footage of Kamden’s wheelchair in action, and it goes from curbside to mud to sand dunes without skipping a beat – a feat that an able-bodied person in a wheelchair could not manage.

Yes, but the four wheels is what gives the wheelchair a larger “footprint”.

I think it’s a limitation of current battery/motor technology, myself.

I believe it automatically comes to a stop whenever it senses a collision with any object.

Does anyone know if it’s possible to hitch a trailer or a wagon to a Segway? That would definitely improve its cargo capacity (though it would probably shorten its range).

Yes, there is at least one shot of a Segway with trailers (three!) on the Segway site.

That’s the $8000 “industrial” version that’s being used by the US Posal Service and Amazon initially. I believe it also has a stronger frame to support the extra use.

And I just thought of another advantage the Segway has over bicycles: you don’t need any special training or agility to use one – by all accounts I’ve seen, riding a Segway consists of stepping on and leaning forward slightly.