except GM did that before Tesla was making cars.
That’s historical nonsense. Electric cars were quite popular at the time of the Model T. And saying “regardless of who brings it to market first” contradicts what you say in the next paragraph.
We already have driverless vehicles and it’s unrelated to electrics or Tesla as an innovation. I don’t understand this statement at all.
By leasing them instead of selling and yanking them away from people literally begging to keep them? The EV1 might have revolutionized American driving if GM actually wanted Americans to have electric cars rather than merely meeting some law that quickly got changed.
yes by leasing them instead of selling them GM did a tremendous job of raising the idea that we just might like an electric car after all. Which as you said had people begging to keep them.
It was a pilot program to test the technology and promote the idea. By leasing it they avoided another potential Oldsmobile diesel fiasco which poisoned the well so thoroughly there are few diesels in this country to date. It’s the first smart thing GM did in the last 50 years.
Holy shit, there is no end to the silliness. GM building 1,100 cars and destroying them a few years later was a stroke of genius. Yeah, sure.
So in this thread, we’ve learned that Tesla doesn’t use engineering, products that are first to market always win, and that this thread is about electric cars revolutionizing something 100 years ago.
And the management of the EV1 program and the excitement it developed (which I agree with) was sustained after they took all of the cars away and crushed them?
It appears so or they wouldn’t be making the bolt.
Next you’re going to say that GM just ripped off the Henney Kilowatt.
So you’re saying that the EV1 directly inspired GM to make the Volt 11 years later?
It was a test program by a major manufacturer that occurred before Tesla even existed. it was on the road before the Prius. It served it’s purpose and they’re building a long range car for mass consumption. In other words, GM was the progenitor of the modern electric car.
uh huh. hyperbole much? All you’ve done is run your mouth without stating a reason why a car that doesn’t exist will revolutionize American driving ahead of cars that will already be on the market.
So you’re saying that the EV-1, with a price tag of $50,000 (adjusted for inflation), two seats, ugly exterior, no storage, 70 mile range, and three hour minimum regards time is the car that set the standard for Tesla to chase?
And when Tesla sells a $70,000 car with room for five (plus two kids), two trunks, 30 minute recharge time, and 200+ mile range, they have done nothing new?
And to boot, the car that sold 1,100 units is the one that is currently driving the market for a car that is selling twice that many each month? Man, this is getting into “airdrop motorcycles into Benghazi” levels of epically bad GD debating strategies.
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Okay, I guess I’ve lost interest in your perspective.
You’re acting as if they made the EV-1 and then walked away and a decade later the Volt pops up.
The volt was a natural extension of the EV-1. The Bolt is an extension of the Volt.
The EV-1 was never for sale. The lease cost was based on a $33,500 car. Which is the price range of the Bolt. Odd how that works. They construct a test program to gauge consumer needs in the future using an actual car and further research produces a car. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
Of course they’ve done something new. They made a luxury EV. It’s a very nice car. That has nothing to do with the point of the thread.
Again, you’re just running your mouth. You literally can’t connect the dots between a car that doesn’t exist and the idea it will revolutionize American driving.
The alternative perspective is to believe a company that put together an electric car PRIOR to Tesla’s existence and already has a car on the road being tested for the $35,000 market was somehow influenced by another company whose car will come out a year later in the same market.
Here is an interview with the marketing director of the EV-1.
There is a lot more. Read it and tell me if you think GM as hot and heavy researching electric cars after the EV-1.
I’d like to see a cite for this supposed flood that is about to happen according to you.
Yes, it’s very odd how you leave out nearly 20 years of inflation and conclude that they both had the same price tag. no more inaccurate than a lot of things you’ve written, I guess.
So according to Magiver GM is leading the pack by taking only 20 years from first EV (EV1) to a 200+ mile low cost electric vehicle. Tesla will do it in less than a decade.
like the Tesla there were state rebates so the leases were between $299 a month and $574. So the price range on a 5 year loan would be between $15,000 and $32,000. Adjusted that would be $22,750 or $51,000.
Again, you haven’t explained why a car that will be late to the market will influence people over other cars that beat it or why it would influence the cars that beat it.
May I direct you to the question asked in the thread. It asks if Tesla’s proposed Model 3 will revolutionize American driving.
Tesla was not the first to the market with a low priced electric car. That would be GM. It was a test project designed to research the idea. It garnered a lot of positive support and served it’s purpose. They were able to gauge the likely market. Tesla followed with a luxury EV. None of them have made a profit. Their production numbers are relatively low and few people have actually seen one let alone drive it. They will get credit for revolutionizing luxury sports cars. But that’s not what is being discussed.
They will be late to the economy model EV and therefore will not be the one to revolutionize American driving.