good luck with that analogy. Apple actually showed up on game day with their product in hand.
You keep coming up with these excuses for Tesla’s money problems as if they don’t exist. Apple suffers from investor pleasing returns on their products.
It’s one thing for someone to wait on what amounts to a play toy for the rich but the Model 3 is suppose to be a mass produced car for the general public.
What excuse would you like to post in advance for the Model 3.
Every time someone tries to talk about the product, you change the subject to finances. Why do you keep ducking that debate?
I’ve said eleventy billion times in this thread that Tesla has a vapor ware problem. Go read those posts instead of asking stupid straw man questions.
I’ve cited everything I’ve said. You, nothing. What has the promisesTesla made regarding the Model 3 done to revolutionize American driving. Why do YOU keep ducking the debate with analogies.
And FTR, Tesla’s finances is the reason why the Model 3 will not revolutionize American driving. They have redirected money for the factory to their current models.
To be perfectly honest, I feel the need to break down my argument to the most simple elements. I am compelled to do this because I am faced with silly questions like, “Did the promise of the Model 3 revolutionize American driving?”
If only there was a thread on the subject where you could post your opinion about it and give some reasons justifying that opinion.
Magiver I’d be interested in your opinion on this (Porsche all electric car)
Sure - it may be “5 years from market” - but if not for the Tesla, would it even be a sketch on a drawing board - let alone a concept being paraded at an Autoshow?
The promise of something doesn’t revolutionize anything. I’m not sure how to prove that. It should be self evident, which is why I think it is a poorly conceived question.
Which is why the question assumes Tesla delivers on their promises viz. this is a hypothetical
One Leaf? I’ve seen several. Maybe it’s a regional thing. One of my friends just bought one, too, although I haven’t seen hers, yet. But she’s raved about it.
(She is part of a large household, and also has a Prius and a pick up truck, iirc. So only using the Leaf when 80 miles is enough range isn’t a problem.)
In addition to mine, I see about one a day on the road.
By the way, they just published EV registration numbers for California. 27,000 new registrations in 2014, 17,000 for the first six months of 2015. About 270,000 registered in total. I was behind two Leafs on the way to work this morning. I easily see half a dozen EVs during each leg of my commute. But I live in the 21st century.
I already talked about that earlier. If Tesla takes away customers from other companies those companies will enter their market.
That may not be a revolution, but it means Tesla matters.
Magiver, this thread doesn’t ask whether Tesla will become a major, profitable car company. You make some good points, but you are so focused on whether Tesla will become a major profitable company that a lot of what you say is lost, because it is buried in stuff that is plainly irrelevant to the question of the thread.
The thread is specific about a car they haven’t produced yet influencing American driving. Since it looks like other cars in the same class will beat it to production then the it’s unlikely Tesla will be influential in that regard. I’ve cited their financial problems as the reason it won’t make it to market first.
What in this argument are you disagreeing with?
People are influenced by dreams. Honestly, I think my husband insisted on buying an electric car because of Tesla, even though we bought a C-max. “They won’t win in the marketplace” simply isn’t a sufficient arguement against “they will revolutionize driving”.
I will argue that, Tesla (with or without ever producing a ‘Model 3’) has already “revolutionized” American Driving experience.
The existence of this thread is a pretty strong indication of this.
Mr. Musk, for better or worse, has brought the concept of an all-electric auto fleet into the consciousness of the American Driving public.
None of the hybrids, nor the discussion of a ‘possible’ electric car, had brought it to this level of discussion.
The man can sell an idea.
See the home storage battery. Yes, there are such devices around - but they never got the ink or mindfulness of the Tesla Powerwall ™.
Musk makes you believe the dream - another Steve Jobs.
I would love to see a real, honest-to-deity Tesla in my garage. It wont happen, barring a radical change in my finances. But, because of Tesla, I CAN imagine some sort of electric in there.
I agree. I don’t think the model 3 is going to matter much, because I suspect that other companies will have decent electric cars by then, and also, it won’t be as cool as the luxury cars. But I think the model S really DID revolutionize the American driving experience.
There is no denying Musk is a dreamer. If we can move past the Model 3 as a revolutionizing car then we can discuss the Model S. I don’t think it’s revolutionized American driving because it’s a luxury car. But it has revolutionized sports cars by demonstrating a good dollar value for the performance it provides. Sports cars in the $100K price range will have to bring out an EV. The Model S performance upgrade is just too good in that price range.
I don’t think this translates into the anticipated purchase decisions for the Model 3 or other cars in that price range. IMO that demographic group is looking for a dollar value based on fuel efficiency. This is the save-the-whale crowd.
That’s how I see it.
The car didn’t do diddly.
The man did a tremendous job of raising the idea that ‘ya know, we just might like an electric car after all’.
The ‘Model 3’, if produced (I am using the term ‘Model 3’ as shorthand for ‘credible, usable family car reasonably priced - that happens to be electric’, regardless of who brings it to market first) will be the electric equivalent of the Ford Model T - there had been many, many automobiles before the first Model T rolled off the line - but it was the Flivver that made the US see the future as powered by gasoline, not muscle. It was a matter of price-point on one hand, but more importantly, it was Henry Ford proclaiming the ‘new age’ and the publicity he generated, which made the auto the new vision of personal transport.
The ‘Model 3/the electric Model T’ will come in the next few - from somebody.
It will be an electric which converts the US to a driverless vehicle, in my guess - the electric revolution will occur well before the autonomous vehicle.