It looks to me as if this is mostly a Russian plan which does not have a specific timetable for the removal of Assad. The plan calls for elections in 18 months, but seems to leave open the possibility that Assad can run in that election. I’m certain this or any other plan will not entirely eliminate the violence in Syria. My question is do you all think that this plan will help prevent ISIS terrorism in the future?
The way I see it, this will probably end up leaving Assad in power, but also help eliminate ISIS strength with Russian and maybe even Iranian help. It also seems that Turkey’s influence in Syria may be diminished. In exchange, Russia gets to retain it’s influence, with Assad possibly staying in power. Given the recent events in Paris and San Bernardino, I think it’s time we come around to the idea that leaving Assad in power might be better for civilians in the West. As an example I cite the second Iraq war, where it seems we would have been better off leaving Saddam in place. So here is the debate.
Is my brief synopsis of why Russia put forth this plan correct?
Will this help reduce ISIS terrorism in the West?
I think it goes without saying that I don’t need to ask if this plan will lead to a peaceful Syria. It obviously won’t, but I don’t think that their is any plan that will result in a peaceful Syria. We therefore have to choose from the least bad of a bad set of options, and I wonder if this is that option.
I only read the first article (skimmed it really), so maybe I’m missing something, but it doesn’t look like a ‘mostly’ ‘Russian plan’ to me. It looks like a pretty vague UN plan that Russia and other countries have signed onto, but that doesn’t specifically do that much. From the first linked article:
Where are you getting this from? Again, the first article:
As far as I can tell, no. It’s not a Russian plan, and your synopsis of the very vague plan seems to be way off. Maybe you are talking about something in the second article?
Gods know. The ‘plan’, such as it is, seems pretty vague. Certainly, the only resolution in Syria is going to be a political one in the end. We can continue to bomb the crap out of ISIS and Russia can continue to bomb Kurds, Turks, other rebel groups and occasionally ISIS, but as long as Assad continue to bomb his own people indiscriminately there is never going to be any stability. First step is getting Assad out. Second is to get ISIS out. Third step is ??? But the forth step is…PROFIT!!!
Those are my thoughts on what was actually going on behind the scenes. Basically it seems to me like the USA was forced to go along with some kind of plan after recent events. The Paris and San Bernardino attacks and Turkey shooting down the Russian plane have gotten us to the point where we (the USA) have agreed to a plan that leaves Assad in power. I think Obama has finally realized that we didn’t have any other path forward other than US boots on the ground. Leaving Assad in power is one of Russia’s goals, which is why I’m calling it a Russian plan.
None of the combatants in the multi-sided mess inside Syria were represented at the Vienna conference. This was the one thing that came out of the talks by the outside powers. The resolution is a broad brushed plan to form a transitional government and then have elections. The transitional government doesn’t magically come with effective security forces. Even with an election (and good luck holding one without significant security effort on the ground) there’s a lot of people that don’t suddenly lose their weapons. Any significant faction that doesn’t agree with the results can continue fighting. It’s important to recognize that the Assad regime, with the current armed forces, could be one of those factions fighting the new government if Assad can’t run or loses.