Will the US become like Europe this century?

In a war to prevent the toppling of the North Korean government?! I rather doubt that.

Yeah, it’s great, they get to have their cake and eat it too. 1000s of women from Ireland, north and south, go for abortions abroad every year, but the state can pretend to be holier than thou. At least I could afford one if I needed one, plenty of women, couples aren’t so lucky. The state should not dictate what a woman does with her own body. If *you’*re against abortion then don’t have one. Rant over.

Frankly, I doubt there are too many non-Korean Americans who really give a damn about the reunification of the Korean people, and even fewer in actual government and military positions. We’re in South Korea purely to keep Pyongyang from overrunning Seoul. Period.

Hell, how long ago was it that divorce was finally legalized?

No, if the Chinese are just there to topple the Kim Dynasty, fine, although the Koreans and Americans should help. I meant if China used that opportunity to puppetize or take over North Korea.

Abortion doesn’t just involve the woman, it involves the fetus too who however has no say in this. The father, and other family members (at least in the US) don’t have any say either despite it being the ending of a human life. My rant is also over.

And to keep an eye on China.

Qin, we all know how you feel about abortion – you don’t have to keep going over it non stop.

1995 I do believe. The “wife-swapping sodomites” got their way.

I was just responding to An Gadai, who of course states well-known pro-choice arguments.

Yep. The Fifteenth Amendment to the Constitution of Ireland (to remove the prohibition on divorce) was approved by a referendum vote margin of 0.56% in November '95. The bill that actually provided for legal divorce was the Family Law (Divorce) Act, 1996. Couples must be separated for four years out of five before receiving a decree of divorce.

Thankfully, despite the still pervasive influence of the RCC, far fewer Irish (and Italians, Poles, and Spaniards, all also predominantly Catholic) subscribe to the idiocy involved in rejecting evolutionary theory than their American counterparts.

Not despite…more likely “because of”. The RCC formally accepts evolutionary theory as true, with provisions for divine investment of souls to human beings after their evolutionary debut. That’s not to say that there aren’t still individual Catholics who view evolution with suspicion, but the official stance of the RCC is that evolution happened.

Sure, go and get all nuanced and stuff. :stuck_out_tongue:

No argument from me on your post.

My larger point (noted as well by An Gadai) is that despite both countries being superficially quite religious on the whole, relative to, say Sweden, there are very large differences in the degree to which religion influences public policy and private behavior in both countries.

Certainly religion influences public policy more in Ireland than in the US>

Another generation is all I give them, here.

I learned the basics of evolution in Catholic school. Not the details, since it was an elementary school, but creationism was never discussed in science class. We learned that the Earth was millions of years old, the ice age, plate tectonics, dinosaurs, etc. I never even HEARD about ID until I was in college – and that was in the media. (I went to a Catholic college, and I’m sure it was talked about in a philosophical sense, or the controversy, etc)

Why would anyone want to be like Europe?

Better health, longer lifespans, more vacation, better quality of life, more social mobility…

All those things are highly dependent on which parts of Europe one is living in, no? Would you like to be a Greek, Der Trihs? :stuck_out_tongue:

-XT

An inherent flaw in the question asked.