Will there ever again be a Newtonian-size revelation?

Universal Gravitation. It’s a broad, sweeping notion that even dummies like me can (I think) grasp; a concept that almost seems like common sense, something as plain as day right there in front of everyone.

And so it makes me wonder why other major revelations about the nature of this mysterious world we live in aren’t forthcoming, as a lot of people have lived since Newton and a lot of time has passed by.

Newton was way back in the 1600s, one guy, and yet how many times has it happened that something so earth-shattering as the Law of Universal Gravitation has been postulated, and immediately and widely held as being true?

Okay, there was before that the revelation that the earth is round. THAT one counts. But all the other stuff learned, while VERY important, seems as not as in-your-face as those two things, yes? And some stuff, like Einstein’s beautiful equation, isn’t what I’m talking about here due to its difficulty to be understood by the average Joe Schmoe.

So the question is, save for UFOs landing and making themselves known, are we to assume that all the B-I-G revelations are over?

Only an idiot would assume that. We seem to be innovating exponentially… there is little reason this cannot continue in science, but it will probably require some kind of Henry VIII style decimiation of the universities first (I know it was monastries).

(I think freud was the guy who came up with paridigm shifts [pretty much what you refer to], the first being newton, the second evolution and the third being his own “theories”. But freud was a wanker.)

I wasn’t talking about innovating.

I think this topic is for IMHO.
IMHO, we’ve barely scratched the complexities of the universe. The biggest questions remain unanswered (unified theory, dark matter, etc).

I know, but I think that it’s fair to say that there will be positive correlation between innovtion and revelation

Right now quantum mechanics and the Einstein model are at odds in describing how the universe really works. Relativity models large-scale events better than quantum mechanics, and vice versa for behaviour at the smallest scale. Moreover, what exactly “space” is–the thing that isn’t matter or energy–is not understood at all.

On the horizon is a theory of everything which will include at least an explanation for the above. The TOE will be bigger than “Universal Gravity,” which is by itself an incomplete explanation of How Things Work.

How about the revelation that our sun is just one of hundreds of billions in this galaxy? Or the later revelation that there are hundred billion other galaxies in this universe?

What’s so hard to understand about relativity? At least the premise of Special Relativity is quite simple: it says the speed of light is the same to all observers. You don’t need equations to explain or understand it.

I don’t see any reason to think so. For one thing, we already know that quantum mechanics is incompatible with relativity, so whatever unites the two will be a BIG revelation that will change our understanding of the universe.

scr4 –

I knew those things. I was just seeing if you knew them.

Nice going, you passed the test!:slight_smile:

If you understand gravitation (and I don’t mean are simply able to reproduce the emperical relationship of attraction of massive bodies to each other) then you need to call up the Physics department at Caltech and talk to Kip Thorne about introducing you to some people in Sweden who have a cash prize for you. Nobody understands gravitation, even–or perhaps, especially–in the context of other fundamental “force” interactions. Oh, sure, we can describe the effects of gravity in some pretty wild situations, and the general Newtonian explanation works well enough to give us reasonably accurate results in most terrestrial scenerios, but all this business about “mass-energy curving the fabric of spacetime” doesn’t actually clue us in on what spacetime is and why it is so amenable to being warped.

This is not to denegrate the work of Newton, who, in addition to his work on gravity and mechanics, also did some minor work in areas of calculus and optics that you may have heard of in passing. He also layed out the first theory on the corpuscular nature of light, which while not bearing much of a resemblence to the modern explanation of QED, could be credibly described as the first precursor to quantum theory. (The actual beginnings of quantum theory really begin with Boltzmann’s work with statistical mechanics and thermodynamics, and given evidentiary form by Planck’s work with blackbody radiation.) But Newton’s revelation–forces could act on bodies without direct, mechanical contact, and that bodies in motion have an inertia the requires force to change–is just another in a long string of fundamenal discoveries in natural science.

As for other scientific revelations with equivilent impact, there have been plenty, and most can be understood–at least, on the same level as gravitation–by anyone with a high school education. Special relativity isn’t all that complex in the overall theory, and general relativity only slightly moreso; the behavior it describes is outside everyday experience, but the concepts are (for the most part) easily illustrated. Maxwell’s (and later people, like Heavyside’s) groundbreaking work on electrodynamics gives us the ability to generate electricity. John Ambrose Fleming’s development of the kenotron (the precursor to the vacuum tube) allowed electronic digital computing, which has had a bit of an impact upon civilization and scientific development. Various people, among them John Ericsson (Ericsson cycle, Brayton cycle), Benoit Paul Émile Clapeyron (Carnot cycle), and Eugenio Barsanti and Felice Matteucci (Otto cycle) did work on the application of thermodynamics to the heat engines which essentially drive every chemical-to-mechanical energy machine process on the planet. I’ll shy away from the major players in quantum mechanics, since you want to keep the focus on developments simple enough to be understood by the layperson, but if we can deviate our tour slightly from the physical sciences we can take a look at Darwin’s development of natural selection, which fundamentally altered the understanding of biological development, Louis Pasteur’s work on bacteriology, vaccination, and infecteous disease, and of course Watson and Crick (and the largely unmentioned Maurice Wilkins and the totally unrewarded Rosalind Franklin)'s discovery of the structure of DNA which has since allowed us to map, identify, and even modify or fix defects in the genetic code.

Newton gets a lot of play 'cause his basic stuff finds its way into the front of every physics text (rightfully so, since he essentially formalized physics as a field of study) but he’s hardly the last one to forment a massive revolutionary change in science as it applies to everyday life.

Stranger

Well to hear the likes of John Horgan tell it, the universe may be complex but we
may lack the tools to properly divine it for a very long time…

Weighing in with a “yea” vote here: I think the era of great discoveries is over. New advances will for the foreseeable future be discovered in small chunks, not by the brilliant application of genius to unravel the problem. It’s true that even Newton and Einstein did not wholly and completely describe all ramifications of their theories, but we can state, I think, that they exibited an especially strong effect on the state of physics. Modern phycisists do make advances, but more peicemeal and rarely so much by any one man.

In fact, we see this phenomenon in many fields, including the biological sciences, where investigation started in depth earlier in history. Advances are made, but less dramatically. More people are looking at the problems and they are looking more systematically.

As to where these advances will lead us, who knows? Things like practical space travel may simply not be possible. Genetic engineering may enable us to wipe out human illness… or not.

You really aren’t supposed to do that type of thing in General Questions. It shows a profound and perhaps terminal ignorance of the way things work around here.

I am having a hard time figuring out what level the OP is coming from. Taking the OP literally, gravity itself is still one of the fundamental mysteries of the universe so Newton didnt really do much in that respect. Whatever gravity turns out to be, it will likely reform the fundamentals of physics as others have said.

Stranger –

Thanks for all that wonderful info! Wow! No doubt you’re at Cal Tech involved in matters of heavy substance, or so I’d guess.

However, if I were to be so bold as to quibble with you on what you layed out, I’d (very humbly) mention that Newton invented/discovered calculus … and layed the cornerstone for modern optics (and didn’t just do “some minor work in areas of calculus and optics …”)

As far as those people in Sweden go, I’d tell them: What goes up must come down.:slight_smile:

Sorry for the levity. But then again, who’s being a clown here? Your comment about Newton ("… didn’t really do much in that respect") is way more hilarious than my little joke.

And by the way, technically EVERYTHING is fundamentally a mystery, and likely always will be since it’s all subjective, technically speaking.

I was being facetious.

Stranger

I’d say that John Dalton’s work in chemistry and Michael Faraday’s work in electricity were as fundamental as Newton’s in terms of understanding the basic nature of the universe and their discoveries had greater impacts on society than Newton’s did.

If you look in a History of Science book, in the index, you’ll likely see Newton’s name mentioned way more often than any other name. :slight_smile:

Nah, we understand gravitation just fine. It’s the others that we don’t understand, even–or perhaps, especially–in the context of spacetime geometry :D.

You obviously haven’t read The Big Book of Fun Facts About Science But Not About Newton Cuz We’re Still Pissed About the Mean Things He Said About Liebniz.

It’s a classic, you really should check it out.

You say pot-aa-to, I say po-tah-to…it’s all just Eddy in the spacetime continuum. (What the hell is he doing in there, anyway?)

Stranger