Headcoat:
Damn! That’s one seriously effective chip! :eek:
::giggle::
AHunter: You are very right about OS 8.6—I liked it. It worked just fine on my little iMac. I got a lot done on OS 8.6, and obviously a lot of other people did too. And I too suspect that Asian2’s school is just not taking care of OS 8.6 properly.
However, a lot of folks had no use for pre-OS X Mac OSs, only to be wowed and amazed by OS X. So even if OS 9.2.2 and below were pieces of crap (which they weren’t, at least not in my opinion), that still has absolutely diddley to do with current Macs, which run X.
Headcoat—yeah, like AHunter says, it takes all kinds, and we all like different things, I guess.
I use my Mac mostly (well, pretty much exclusively, except for when I’m on this board) for arty stuff. I started out on a PC (with the annoying Windows 98) and then got sucked into the Mac side after a few years. So it wasn’t as if I was brainwashed or convinced that only Macs would do for graphics—I did graphics for a couple of years on a PC.
The thing was, I found I liked the “feel” of the Mac GUI so much better. I liked Photoshop much better on my Mac. There are a lot of small reasons and big reasons, but bottom line, I like it better. And even when my Mac is technically slower, I still prefer it to my PC. And I by no means hate my PC. I like XP—wow, is it some improvement over Win98. But it ain’t OS X, and OS X is my favorite.
A side note: My PC is an 1800+ AMD cheepie box, my Mac is a 533 MHz G4 PowerMac. Thanks to Photoshop’s use of Altivec, it appears that the Mac runs Photoshop 7 just a little bit faster. Of course my “speed tests” were imperfect, and only apply to my particular machines. But as far as I’m concerned, my 533 MHz G4 is better for Photoshop than my 1800+ AMD PC. Obviously, everyone else’s mileage may vary on this, but I have to say that the Altivec engine (which is G4-only) is a wondrous thing.
I love you, man! 
That’s the best response to all of the pseudo-geekiness that’s killing what started out as a beautiful rant.
I deal with a wide range of users all day long, and you’re extremely far from the Dumbass variety. In fact, around here, you’d be grouped with the So Easy To Work With variety - none of the superior snarkiness from the “IT Guy” (who, by the way, had to call me for help on something my company doesn’t even support, but I get him fixed anyway w/o the attitude) and none of the constant repetition to John & Mary Lunchbucket who just dragged themselves into the new century with their very own Com-pooter and can’t get the “TV” to turn on.
We love guys like you…hon, you can call me for help ANYTIME!!
So, there. ::blows raspberry and maintains firm stance, hands on hips::
FWIW:
I have XP Home at home. I use XP Pro at work. As far as I can tell (for what I use) they’re identical.
I love them both and have no desire whatsover to go back to any other OS. I have yet to have a single BSOD or hard crash on either of them. Period.
The only advice I can give - buy ram. XP likes it.
And what do you use for html, simpletext? Wow, that mac exclusive program sure is pretty damn good! It’s just like notepad, except better because you can get a wild and wacky computer voice to mispronouce your docoument.
Or do you use one of those various html/design programs adobe has? If I recall correctly, Adobe isn’t Mac exclusive at all. Wow, a program that both Mac and Microsoft has, that sure is a home run for the mac team.
Seeing from your website, you mainly use Adobe products to create digital art. How is using those adobe products any different from using a PC with them? Well, nothing except for the computer crashing every five minutes without warning.
You did make money off of what you did, but you could still do the same damn thing on PC and make money, too.
I’ve used almost all of those programs, and I fail to see some special difference or advantage Macintosh has.
I am much more productive and organized under the Windows GUI because of this. I like how floating windows on the desktop are all inclusive and immediately recognizable without clicking on it to see what it says on the toolbar. I also prefer the way documents exist within a program’s main window instead of floating around as their own separate entities (ie, In mac opening two different files will open two different windows that exist on their own. On Windows, they both reside within one Photoshop application instance). This cuts back on clutter, and helps me move around documents faster. All this on my supafast 2 MHZ Athlon 
And Aslan2, I think yosemitebabe’s point was that her iMac is capable of doing serious work, and not that it does something that Windows can not do.
I don’t doubt that macs are capable of accomplishing professional tasks. The contention is that they do it with a performance/speed deficit and a price penalty. Of course, with any modern computer, one has vast computing power in their hands. Even a lowly 400 dollar budget system is able to edit images, do graphics layout, burn/rip movies and music, etc. They just do it slower. And once you’ve been spoiled by the speeds churned out in high-end Intel/AMD systems, its difficult to be satisfied with a slower alternative.
As for personal “feel” of the OS that some people show preference for - I think it is mainly due to the differences in mousing behavior; the way mouse ramps up in speed as you accelerate its movement. This is the biggest difference for me between Windows and Mac OS. And of course, this is purely subjective, though people have claimed that the mouse in the Mac OS is more accurate.
BBEdit. Not available on the Windows platform.
Yes, BBEdit is pretty good. And yes, how perceptive of you—it’s Mac-only.
But my point (as you well know, if you were paying attention) is not about Mac-exclusive software (though there is some of it). It’s just that for a piece of “eye candy” in which you express such disdain, I. Get. Work. Done.
And, in the spirit of fairness, I happen to love Homesite on the Windows side. But it kept on making my crappy old PC overheat (go figure) so I stopped using it. But I intend to load it up on this new PC.
You’re just being silly deliberately, obviously.
BTW, I use Dreamweaver MX, Fireworks, occasionally Graphic Converter (oops, no Windows version of that) and a whole host of very mainstream software packages.
“Adobe”? “Adobe” what? You do know that Adobe creates a vast selection of programs, don’t you? Would you care to specify which “Adobe” you are referring to? And yes, I think anyone who is even passingly familiar with “Adobe” is aware that most of its programs are cross-platform. Just thought I’d confirm that for you, since you didn’t seem 100% certain yourself.
Why don’t you go back to rambling about the Nightmare on Elm Street movies again? You’re not making any more sense now.
I like using them more. And, since you asked, my old PC did crash while trying to open up files in Photoshop. I gave this old PC to my sister, who also tried to use it with Photoshop. She got so tired of its overheating and crashing that she bought a new PC. Do you see the logic here? It wasn’t Windows that was the problem for her (or me) it was that computer. Not all computers, and not even Windows 98 (necessarily). It was just that PC, and probably any other Windows 98 PC that is under-powered, and not configured correctly. Probably like the OS 8.6 Macs you’ve experienced. Probably mistreated, not configured correctly, the whole nine yards.
Photoshop never crashed on me (or maybe once? I can’t remember) on the Mac, even when I used it on OS 8.6. Crashing every few minutes was the old PC’s trick. Not the Mac’s. Sorry, you’ve got it backwards.
So what? I wouldn’t have enjoyed working with Windows as much. It’s my work, my investment in a computer, my time, and I get to choose which platform I like best. And I chose a platform that, contrary to your contentions, does not crash every 5 minutes, does indeed get real work done, and is something more than “eye candy”.
And, as mentioned previously, with my two particular current systems (AMD 1800+ and G4 533) Photoshop 7 runs a little faster on the Mac. So what if a PC can run Photoshop? I like using my Mac.
Well, whoop-de-do. I don’t really care if you see what the special difference or advantage is. (Except for the Altivec engine—do you know anything about that?) You don’t do my work for me. You don’t draw my drawings on on my Wacom tablet—I do. So I get to have the final word on which system I prefer. Get it? My preference. My work. My opinion, and my decision. And your lamentable experiences with poorly configured old Macs really doesn’t mean diddley to me, and shouldn’t mean diddley to anyone else who is interested in the current Macs. You’ve never even tried OS X—so what exactly do you know about what’s going on with Macs today? Oh right. Diddley.
Wow, Microsoft is astroturfing in SDMB now? They’re more desperate than I thought.
Finally, someone who understands me.
On the other hand, my failure to remove the [/size] end tag may lead people to believe that I am actually a dumbass.
Call 'em like you see 'em.
Exgineer I love ya like a brother no matter what they say.
That being said, everybody I know who has installed WindowsXP has done nothing but bitch about it. Everybody, that is, but me. I am the only person I personally know who has never had a problem with it. So, I conclude, that I am either so intellectually superior to my friends that I amaze even myself, or I am an absolute dumbass who can’t see problems when they happen.
Hmmmmm… the more I know about me, the more I think, could it be the latter?
I really don’t want to get involved in a Mac vs PC debate, but I’d really just like to say that overheating problems aren’t caused by the OS. Well, except for with my G4 Cube - you see, OSX takes up more processing and crushes the HD, so my cube overheats every 5 minutes and turns itself off. As seen here, problems in the hardware cause overheating crashes, not the OS.
I do have to say that I’ve yet to have anything but good experiences personally with XP. The only problem I’ve ever had is that XP Home when preinstalled by Dell or Compaq has some very weird problems which can go as far as making you unable to connect to any ISP that isn’t AOL. For some reason, it sends some strange password instead of what you type in.
What you may want to try, which can be a pain when you just buy a new pc, is just reinstalling Win XP by itself and not installing all the extra garbage that comes pre-installed from the different computer manufacturers. That may fix random crashes and the like - as for the UI, you’re on your own.
I love you too, buddy.
And I will refuse to allow your preference for this piece of garbage operating system to color our relationship.
That said, I hate it. I hat jumping through all these hoops. I hate how it decides that six USB ports are occupied when I only have two things plugged in. I hate how it just sort of grabbed my brand-new printer (MicroSoft endorsed for use with XP) and won’t let go.
I hate not being able to change anything.
But stop by the next time you happen to be in the other Albany. I have beer and marshmallow fluff. If you give me some advance notice, I could probably also scare up a guy in a kilt.
HideoHo: I didn’t start the Mac/PC debate, Asian2 did! It’s all his fault!
And yes, I always knew that the PC was messed up, not the OS, when it overheated. It never overheated until I sent it out to be “upgraded” (new HD, video card) and something obviously got messed up inside during the upgrade process. But still, I don’t like Windows 98 very much. I can tolerate it, but I don’t like it.
And so far (knock on wood) I haven’t had much trouble with the new PC running XP Pro. However, the modem won’t work. I use a cable modem so it doesn’t really matter, but that isn’t right for the modem to not work. But it is a cheap box, so I guess I have to accept that the hardware isn’t perfect. And yes, I did install XP Pro myself—which may be why it isn’t giving me too much trouble (knock on wood).
Well, most likely the HD and Videocard were too much for the ventilation in the box. Both of those components make a good deal of heat on their own. I can’t really blame you for not liking Win 98. I mean, sure - it’s better than Win ME, but that’s about it.
I can’t say I’ve ever had an internal cable modem. Unfortunatly, companies build based on price, not on quality, so many components are extremely cheap in store bought computers. A bad motherboard can make an irrational hatred demon spawn inside of you.
Exgineer: I’m not sure what you mean by “grabbing” your printer or your USB ports. If the OS isn’t “grabbing” the printer, I’m not too sure how useful that printer would be to you. Are you possibly using your USB ports and VC++ in conjunction with your printer to make some kind of home made EKG or Lie Detector? If so, can I have the source code?
Basically, I’m confused on what XP is doing to your printer and USB ports that it shouldn’t be. The only thing mine does is keeps my digital camera from turning off until I hit “remove hardware” from the USB menu, and that’s a data-protection issue. What is it doing to you that you do not like?
HideoHo—it’s the 56K modem is the one that doesn’t work. The cable modem, which is external, works fine on both Mac and PC.
I know that my 1800+ AMD PC is cheap. I hope to get a new motherboard for it eventually. My PC guru tells me the current one is a crappy motherboard.
It’s Aslan, not asian.
Hi, my name is The_Raven, and I paid for a Microsoft OS…
(Gasps of horror fill the room)
I just finished a new digital audio workstation (Intel 2.4GHz overclocked to 3.0, all kindsa good stuff). I decided to try XP, which I had strictly refused to do in the past due to all the “beaming up to the mothership” that XP does.
But curiosity got the better of me and I picked up a good deal anyway. Bought XP with a 40GB WD800JB for $220 from the local compu-crack salesman. Sounded good at the time, so I installed it.
Once you peel away the puppies and paperclips, and judiciously ditch unnecessary services, you’re in business. Tuning XP can be interesting and productive. Not as much fun as an Amiga, but not too bad.
Think of it as 2K with far better device support (2K out-of-the-box won’t support ATA100, for example), just as stable. BTW, if you can’t get Win2K to run for more than 8 minutes, I recommend you take the PC out of the swimming pool.
-Rav
Hi, my name is The_Raven, and I paid for a Microsoft OS…
(Gasps of horror fill the room)
I just finished a new digital audio workstation (Intel 2.4GHz overclocked to 3.0, all kindsa good stuff). I decided to try XP, which I had strictly refused to do in the past due to all the “beaming up to the mothership” that XP does.
But curiosity got the better of me and I picked up a good deal anyway. Bought XP with a 40GB WD400JB for $220 from the local compu-crack salesman. Sounded good at the time, so I installed it.
Once you peel away the puppies and paperclips, and judiciously ditch unnecessary services, you’re in business. Tuning XP can be interesting and productive. Not as much fun as an Amiga, but not too bad.
Think of it as 2K with far better device support (2K out-of-the-box won’t support ATA100, for example), just as stable. BTW, if you can’t get Win2K to run for more than 8 minutes, I recommend you take the PC out of the swimming pool.
-Rav
And for 10,000 jelly beans, I’ll tell ya how I edited my post…
D’Oh…
-Rav
