The republicans WILL. NOT. COMPROMISE.
What part of this do you not get? Walker would not negotiate about stripping unions of their rights to bargain collectively. At all.
All those collective bargaining rights will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
So can one say that they…rammed this down our throats?
You never answered my question.
I’ll help you since you know you are full of shit.
The September rally: “in excess of 75,000” (cite)
Glenn Beck rally: “as few as 78,000 attendees or as many as 96,000” (cite)
Obama Inauguration: “1.8 million people attended President Obama’s inauguration.” (cite)
And we have no idea when those pics were taken at the rallies…could well have been after city services did some cleaning. Free Republic cites should be your first clue that you are going to get destroyed when citing them.
Even if the pics were seconds after the rally before any cleaning the Obama pic had 18x more people than the most generous estimate of the Tea Party rallies.
Consider the Wisconsin protests had tens of thousands who stayed there for weeks.
So enough with your shit and false equivalencies.
Good job.
Keep on whacking, but you know another one is just going to pop up somewhere!
You might well say that. Public opinion running something like 60% AGAINST limiting collective bargaining rights, and the Wisconsin GOP rushes through a bill with nothing fiscal in it at all (so much for your “this is just to save the budget” fig leaf, Walker, you bastard) in order to do just that.
Those are the fun sins, so sure.
I saw some of the video tape on Fox of the wild and unruly protestors in Wisconsin. I saw with my own eyes people sitting on the floor beating drums! In a circle! Drums! Beating them with sticks like savages! I may have seen a feather, but I clutched my pearls and fainted dead away.
Really, just like Berkeley '68! Well, except for the letter from the Chief of Police commending the protestors for thier civility and decorum.
I am astonished by the degree to which people do not recognize this fact. Democrats hardly talk about anything other than the enormous concessions they are willing to make in the pursuit of compromise with the Republicans, in spite of mountains of evidence demonstrating that Republicans do not know the meaning of the word.
The Republican Party are masters of controlling the narrative, so we get one of two outcomes. The first is that Republicans demand concessions in the name of compromise, they get everything they wanted, and Democrats declare this a victory. The second is that Democrats put up some marginal fight against Republican demands and are demonized for refusing to compromise.
I don’t see any hope for an opposition to the Republican party until people accept that “compromise” is a completely illusory option.
This thread should be about unionized exotic dancers.
Actually, I was thinking more of the other end of the digestive tract.
I am reminded of the Cold War talks between the Soviet Union and the United States. IIRC, the Soviets did what they could to not compromise. Only the Americans did to move forward. I wonder which book on negotiations the Wisconsin Republicans read from, because it surely wasn’t from Constitutional Convention of 1787.
AFAIK PONY still exists. But really, that topic deserves it’s own thread.
Wisonsin’s action might be the “straw that breaks the camel’s back” … if we even had a camel left with a back to break. 
I am on the affirmative side in the nearby “Do we need a militant left?” thread, but most Americans are well-fed and not up for militancy. What’s the mood on college campuses? Youth will need to be in the vanguard of serious protest. Students in the 1960’s wanted political change; Dopers in touch with students: Is there any chance of such a mood today?
“needs to go” and “will go” are two different things. In the post-Nixon years, have right-thinking Americans “gone to the mat” even once?
[QUOTE=Hunter S. Thompson]
San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run . . . but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world.
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So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
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Funny you should ask. I just talked to a university student today about this very topic. She hadn’t heard about it. She didn’t know what I was talking about. I’m not sure she could find Wisconsin on a map.
Hey, it’s just one student, but frankly I don’t see the majority of college campuses awash with protests over this.
Now, the staff at those same universities are a different story. They’re pretty much all union members.
No hence my “Nintendo” comment much earlier in this thread.
It is difficult these days to push people out of their complacency, stop playing Mario and get them off the couch.
I think people are getting sense of it but I fear the damage will be done before they get a clue and get off the couch.
See…here is the problem.
The attacks are occurring across numerous fronts. So far each side sees the other side as not their problem. Thing is they are linked.
Not sure what university you are at but the following is not uncommon. Cuts are coming for everyone. That’d be ok if everyone took a little bite of the shit sandwich but mostly the Republicans are handing money to special interests and screwing the majority of the population one way or another. It’s like a game of musical chairs and the government is giving all the chairs to those who pay them (special interest groups with deep pockets).
Ask if she’d care about something like this.
University students (among others) need to wake up and become politically active. (Some are of course…all of them need to be)
Or how about states trying to take voting rights away from college students: NH Republican/Tea Partier wants to stop youth vote - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board
Have you heard about the painters union’s offer to clean up any damage to the Capitol for free? They’re the ones who have been painting and repairing the building for the past 100 years.
So that takes the cost to the state down considerably, if the people in charge are actually concerned about cost and are smart enough to take the painters union up on their offer.
Well, I personally saw the Fox News video of the protestors, and they were totally insanely unruly, lots of stuff on fire and screaming freaks. Funny thing, it was in, like, black and white. And I coulda swore Abby Hofffman was dead! But, no, there he was, and, in fact, he’s looking damned good for his age!
I know that I have derived immense enjoyment for years from the palm trees and perpetual sixty-degree weather that surround the Capitol building in Wisconsin.