I don’t mind the JWs either. We have a couple of nice ladies who stop by every two weeks or so, chat for about three minutes about the weather and other fripperies, hand us the Watchtower and go away. They’re wasting their time but they’re always polite and don’t overstay their welcome. I’d much rather have them knock on my door than the salesman pushing satellite TV services that was so persistent I came remarkably close to punching him (and I am not easily roused to violence).
Well, yeah, nothing else needs to be said other than that. Idolizing blood is pretty gross and bizarre, but pressuring one another to forgo simple life-saving procedures because martyr! ought to be considered emotional abuse and when it leads to death: murder.
Kids, man, kids. Give them a chance to live the life that God gave you healthy assholes who haven’t been faced with such illness and suffering. You sanctimonious shitheads.
Perhaps i’m interpreting poorly, but each of the examples you give seem to be the promotion of witnessing to very specific groups of people, not universally. Mostly the apostles.
For those interested, by the way, in the very cogent point;
[QUOTE=Acts 5:38-39]
Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
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The specific point being made here is given with two examples of people who were not actually anything to with God, and ended up being killed along with all their followers. More to the point the speech manages to downgrade the punishment for witnessing from death to… a flogging, which everyone seems very happy with. Including the apostles here.
[QUOTE=Acts 5:40-41]
His speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name.
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Of course, an actual flogging is rather harsh in this day and age. But, there you go, Biblical support for being unpleasant to witnessers, who should rejoice at suffering disgrace for the Name. Cogent.
cogent point - they don’t expect any of us heathens to be able to properly understand the bible without the guidance from the faithful and discreet slave thru the Watchtower publications - they also don’t expect us to actually look up the cited verses. - cogent point.
Would be funny if his god decided he committed suicide and sent him the other direction.
‘what do you want? I sent 3 people, one with a hellicopter to rescue you - you kept turning them away’
Isn’t it, though? I mean, if God gave us the complicated brain which figured out the methodology and the body which so readily accepts this particular miracle of modern medicine (kinda like the banana which was made for eatin’), isn’t the refusal of medical intervention suicide via the martyr route? How do they get around that?
Bonus question: what happens to blood lost due to wounds, shaving mishaps, bleeding ulcers, and menstrual blood? Is that also sacred and revered? Is there a shrine to used bandages and other unmentionable items somewhere?
(Going by memory) It’s not that blood is sacred but the Bible says you’re not supposed to eat blood(take blood into your body in some translations) hence the no transfusions.
Right - but that specific prohibition was related to food/alters to other gods - they’ve twisted it around to give them a ‘stance’.
Even worse - its now down to what ‘fractions of blood’ are acceptable - and then they use the doublespeak of “up to your conscience”
From Religious Tolerance…
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witness5.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witness13.htm
Here is a longer article - Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower's changing stance on blood transfusions - goes thru the history, etc.
(and no, I am not a shill for that site - in reviewing the articles I post a link to - I do find that they line up with my recollections - beyond that, even if you choose to ignore the ‘bias’ they may have - the references are easily researched.)
I’ve yet to hear of anyone undergoing a transfusion via mouth.
This, over nine thousand times.
It’s not the feeling that I get from my interactions with JWs, it’s my knowledge based on 30 years as one of them. I can support my statements with quotations from Watchtower publications, if you need me to. The leadership creates an atmosphere of paranoia, and over and over again, I’ve seen Witnesses react negatively to anything but the most glowing information about their organization. You don’t need me to tell you this. Google “Jehovah’s Witnesses” and find some web articles about them, then scroll down the comments and see how JWs react if the piece sounds any less positive than the latest *Watchtower *(which, by the way, never ever prints negative information about the org - so how would a Witness find out if there was something negative?).
Maybe so, but aren’t JWs supposed to be God’s one true organization, thus a cut above everyone else? Why are you trying to justify the way that JWs behave by comparing them with Satan’s churches of “Babylon the Great?”
But Jesus, though being God’s son, is “a god.” But there’s only one true God. But Jesus is a god, too. That’s the concept that I think the earlier poster was referring to, not the Trinity, which actually teaches that there is only one true God.
Ah, but as I pointed out earlier, your organization is supposed to be the shining city on the hill, God’s one true organization, his channel of communication with mankind. And yet, when flaws are pointed out, you retreat right back to comparing your group with other Christians, thus, in effect, admitting that you are no better than any other group out there. That seems inconsistent at best, given the claims of religious superiority that are being made by your leadership.
Which begs the question of why your group isn’t engaging in actions to help the genocide in Africa, the tiger-poaching in India or the drug cartels in Mexico, if those issues are so important. Instead, you continue to knock on our doors to tell us that our religions are wrong, then complain if we don’t like it. We should be directing our efforts toward all these other undoubtedly worthy causes instead of pointing out that Jehovah’s Witnesses have a very flawed religion, even as you continue to point the finger at every other religion on earth. It seems that JWs are capable of dishing out criticism in great quantity, but unable to take even a small amount of it.
Is it possible you are confusing him with Monty (who is LDS, I believe)?
Polite? You still haven’t acknowledged that you poisoned the well of discussion by opening with a needlessly hostile and confrontational OP. If someone had come back with “LOLz they should’ve been shot!!1” then, you would have had a point. But no, you had to outright throw yourself onto the pyre of Internet martyrdom :rolleyes: by accusing everyone of just being fucking thrilled that some nut decided to use his gun to make people get off his property.
That’s disingenuous and you know it.
Yes, I, Monty, am LDS.