Fuck this nasty woman.
She has no idea what this father’s story is. I get government help and it weighs on me quite a bit, but there’s really not much that I can do about it now. This man says he has a job, and if it’s not providing a living wage for him and his family, what else is he supposed to do? This hits very close to home for me. :mad:
I have known far too many people like this. They line up at the trough just like anyone else, but they have developed a massive delusional understanding of civics to justify it.
When they get medicare, social security, UI, etc. they are just ‘getting back a fraction of what they paid in’ (not remotely true). When other people get it they are ‘leaching off the system’.
“Socialism is bad unless it benefits me.”
She’s a nasty one. Ugly on the inside.
He probably deserves a lecture if he’s trying to spend long-obsolete stamps instead of the EBT card which has been current for awhile.
“How she got the food stamps to talk, I’ll never know.”
How did she know he was using “food stamps”? It’s just a debit card now.
Wait. It’s absolutely true that many people get back only a fraction of what they pay in to Medicare and Social Security. I don’t understand your claim.
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old white people collecting SS and Medicare benefits love to claim that they’re just “getting back what they paid into the system” as though they don’t understand that is more or less what “socialism” is. then they go around decrying socialism, so long as you don’t cut their Social Security or Medicare benefits.
of course, they’re stupid because the money they “paid into the system” was spent decades ago, and their benefits are being paid for by the money I am paying into the system today. Then they pat me on the head and condescendingly say I “don’t understand” simply because I’m not yet a decrepit, useless old person.
Wow, what a hateful woman.
With hundreds of millions of people in the system, there are obviously going to be “many people” who will receive only a fraction of what they pay. But it’s not generally true. The overwhelming majority of people get more out of these programs than they paid into them.
Looks like she has a kid too. 
My Aunt, who I see on a yearly basis, doesn’t talk politics with the family, but she and her husband post a lot of hateful, far right shit on their Facebook wall.
It’s sad because their son is gay, gets help with getting his HIV meds, is on food stamps, doesn’t have a job, as far as I know, because of his poor health. Yet he posts the same shit his mother posts.
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Really? Will they all be above average, too?
Look, a simple thought experiment, courtesy of Ponzi, will show you that what you just claimed cannot be sustainably true.
I agree that money paid into the system is paid out today, to the elderly, and that the people working when you retire will be paying your benefits.
But I don’t agree that this vitiates the claim that most people will receive less, in the future, than they paid in the past – even though there is no personal account into which each person’s payment goes, that statement remains true.
You’re right that this is, at heart, socialism: those that are better off contribute more and those that are more needy receive more,
So I’m not quite seeing the stupidity. Is it simply their lack of understanding that money is fungible?
I pray I’ll never get so bored and petty that I’ll find myself in Wal-Mart screaming at strangers and their children.
I have no idea whether it’s true in reality, but as long as our country’s population continues to rise, and our GDP continues to rise, and our life span continues to rise, it’s mathematically possible. Not infinitely sustainable, but certainly possible for now.
When you consider the gains that would be realized from even a S&P 500 fund, most contributors only receive a fraction of what they put in. It may be a substantial fraction, but is is still less than what they contributed (at least it will be for me). I’ve contributed far less than 15% of my income to my personal investment accounts over they years I’ve been working and the income from my investment accounts should exceed my SS retirement benefits when I retire.
When I got my SS number (when I started working), the SS Administration told me that I did not have to worry about my retirement, that SS WAS my retirement account and that I would be taken care of when I retired. They are not telling me that, now. Now, they are telling me that SS retirement benefits can be depended on to play a PART of my retirement plans.
Simply because the government took all of the money out of the SS program and spent it on other things doesn’t mean that seniors aren’t getting back what they paid in. SS is a retirement program we were required to pay into while working and yes current workers are paying for the benefits going out, but that is definitely not the fault of our current crop of seniors.
BTW, even tho I’m old and decrepit, I ain’t useless.
The whole time I worked, I was told that the SS tax they were taking was going to be all I needed for retirement, so I wasn’t really sure why my first and longest lasting employer created a retirement fund for us. Fortunately, someone who understood those things told me that it was likely that SS wasn’t going to be worth enough by the time we hit retirement age. Damn good thing for me that I heeded that advice, especially since a growing number of people seem to think that no one deserves to get their retirement back. I guess the only important people that deserve anything are those folks having kids that we really don’t need and they can’t afford.
Sorry, Bricker, I caught you trying to move the goalposts. What you claimed I said can’t be true. What I actually said can be.
All the people in a system can’t get more money out of it than they put in. But the majority of people can receive more money out of a system than they pay in as long as the minority pays more money in than they receive out.