Some women like to show significant cleavage; others don’t. Some women in the first group like to show their cleavage for a specific limited audience; some like to show it to the world. Some women in the latter group get vexed if a given admiration session from a male is too long, too crude, or too dehumanizing.
Not particularly…but her pose would have made for quite the pin-up picture…
Was it DaVinci who said, “Some people get it, some people get it when you tell them, and some people NEVER GET IT”? Or something like that.
Surely fits here. And with the response too.
Lonnie, since you’re knew here, just a head’s up… only one of those is serious and cause for concern. The other, Drunky, is just takin’ the piss and lampooning some’s misogyny in this thread.
Yea, and if you take apart a body it is made up of a lot of gross, ugly stuff. There’s even shit inside. So I suppose we should just find ours and other peoples bodies to be disgusting and repugnant. Sheeesss . . .
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I had a girlfriend for a short time once who later went on to get a boob job. Sure, she started out small-bosomed, but she was gorgeous. Then she had to and ruin it. I wanted to kick her butt.
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But since that was fake too, it would’ve been an empty gesture…
Are there some women who do show, but don’t want to due to a limited choice of clothing? I often go shopping with a female friend and notice that most tops are either V-neck or U-neck, usually very low, in most stores. Even buttoned shirts tend to button rather low. The only tops that even had close to a crew neck-type collar were exercise T-shirts.
Cleavage has a magical power. For every inch a woman shows it lowers a man’s IQ by 10%. That’s why we turn into blubbering idiots.
BTW, my favorite is to go the Ren Fest like events where the woman had those old busting out tops.
Yes. I’ve been in that position since about 13 and, as a result, I don’t ever wear v-neck tops at all. However, I’ll occasionally attempt a bit of a scoop in front, only to find out later that if I lean too far forward or bunch my arms up together to grasp something, I can be offering a glimpse of cleavage. For me, it’s absolutely maddening and I hate it. So mostly, I stick to crew necks.
ETA: But yes, even the smallest downward cut of a shirt can result in a view you didn’t intend and definitely don’t want. However, you don’t always know until you wear it and are in action. And if you’d like a little variety in your wardrobe, some women decide it’s worth the (infinitesimal) gamble.
And blouses or shirts with buttons are risky as well. Buttons don’t tend to lay flat over contours, causing gaps. But a busty woman is seldom safe - a turtleneck sweater can be very revealing if it hugs curves.
You can live your life in oversized crew necked shirts and sweaters, but frankly, most people who do so look a little slobbish. And if slightly sexy is my option over slightly slobbish, in my daily life now, I take slobblish - in my professional life I’ve always gone for “well put together” - which some people will take as slightly sexy.
Thanks for the heads up, Faithfool. Still a good quote, though, don’t you think? 
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That’s undoubtedly true for many people, but ignores the bigger picture, IMHO. Because if enough women wanted higher necklines, then manufacturers would make more of them. So if we’re discussing some specific woman, then that possibility is very relevant. If we’re discussing women in general, not so much.
As is often true in real life, the free market doesn’t always work like it is supposed to in theory.
A lot of women I know complain about how difficult it is to find suitable clothing.
Manufacturers are so intensely trend-oriented that they disregard the possibility that —
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Not all styles are suitable for all women
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Some women might want to keep buying something that suited them in the past rather than moving entirely with whatever trend the industry has produced next.
I don’t know how I would provide evidence for this:
I have the feeling that SE Michigan is very different from Rochester, New York. 
Just send chiroptera out to ogle 50 women’s cleavage, up close and personal, and then report back here how many smiles and how many black eyes he got.
A lot of people complain about a lot of things. You can’t conclude anything from the fact that people complain about things.
Many times, the reason complaints are so universal about things is because the only thing that would make people happy is not actually attainable in real life. Like in this case, where - quite possibly - a lot of women who in theory prefer more modest attire would as a practical matter reject much of what’s offered along those lines as not being attractive/stylish enough, hence the conundrum.
Bottom line is that if what you say is true, all it would take is one manufacturer “foolish” enough to make this type of clothing. It would fly off the shelves, scooped up by all these supposed women desparate for this type of clothing, at which point other manufacturers would copy it. Doesn’t happen.
Okay, so if you make the decision to wear a low-cut top, then you are responsible for the men who ogle you.
Which was kinda the OP’s point. When women wear scantily-clad outfits then get angry that men are staring, it’s nonsense. It’s not asking for anything physical, but looking is free and men are gonna look.
That doesn’t actually follow. And again- you can look at an attractive person without making it so obvious that they get uncomfortable. If I act like a clod, it’s not a woman’s fault.
That’s just something someone said, too. No reason to believe that it’s true.
The fact is that manufacturer concerns – economies of scale, cutting costs, etc. can trump buyer preferences.
Wow.
No, I’m not responsible for the actions of another human being. That would only make sense if you believe that men are automatons instead of human beings. And that would be disproven by all of the men who do not stare/leer/comment.
How insulting and misandric that attitude is. I’d be pissed if I were a guy and heard arguments that I don’t have control over my own actions.