Not sure if this is the one you’re looking for, but it’s a good one:
– Justice Brennan’s majority decision in Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677 (1973)
You are either using the word fight to mean something more gentle, you are extraordinarliy lucky, or you are really bad at your chosen form of recreation.
I don’t see what any of it has to do with the assertion of superiority for either gender, though.
I am so glad that you know me enough to draw the conclusion that majority of women are superior to me. To think that I have my first internet relationship with someone as great as you. But in what way are they superior to me? I agree that women smell better than I do, but please, give me examples of your own which leads you to that conclusion. I am greatly intriuged.
From the evidence that I have seen, in their capacity to reason.
I am quite willing to revise my admission should the evidence warrant a reappraissal.
By the horn of the IPU, Esprix, have you gone mad?
Stating that a particular sex, race or other group of individuals is superior to another is preposterous. The merits of an individual are based on the individual, not the affiliations of the individual.
Concepts such as “women are superior because the can bear children” are ridiculous. Does it not take two people to conceive a zygote?
Men are inferior?! How about we assert something to the affect of “latinos are inferior” or “homosexuals are inferior” or “catholics are inferior?” Do those assertions not fall prey to the same rebuttals?
Sheeesh!! Pick, pick, pick. My point is still valid. Let’s look at Nicola Tesla HE WAS A MAN!!! :rolleyes:
You people crack me up. 
All of your comments are quite valid and on the mark, but I still believe, overall, that women are inherently somehow superior to men. Internalized male-phobia? Maybe - it was the way I was raised. Lucky for my female friends… 
Of course I’m wrong, tho. I’ve been known to be a :wally
Esprix
I honestly feel this argument is quite silly, to the point of having to register just to reply. As a whole, the SDMB is quite against stereotyping and racist namecalling, so so many people arguing this is quite strange.
Suffice to say, under the guidelines of what is “better” outlined by Esprix, I would say that redheads are the best. They are much more emotional, better fasion sense, and have an overall more friendly disposition. Not only that, but close to 50% of all redheads can give birth, and combined, redheads can not only give birth, but concieve.
I also believe that blacks tend to be more balanced (jack of all, master of none), asians seem to be much more skilled in certain fields, and not skilled at all in others. This, of course, is coming from my own personal experience.
All in all, however, it seems that for the most part, blue eyed blondes are the “best”. Looking at the past, which is the best gauge for all arguments, only when brunetts and redheads would gang up on the blondes would they be defeated (see WWII).
Unfortunatly, my argument is now as silly as the OP. I guess that was my point. But just to refute a few people that may still take this seriously:
Men and Women are built differently (chromosomes, bone structure, webbed feet) - So are tall people, who are better cause they can reach the cereal on the top shelf, short people, who are better because they can sit comfortably on aircraft, and a million other variations.
Women are historically repressed - as were blacks, but I don’t think someone (even a white person) posting “Blacks are better than Whites” would get the same kind of response.
You’re retarded - Well, that could be argued, but more than likely that’d go to the Pit.
This is your first post, you don’t count - I made it long enough to count as 3, so I do, in fact, count.
Anyway, it is fun to argue, as I am always down for some verbal sparring, but there isn’t any way to prove that one person is better than another, and it’s certainly not worth trying, as no one IS better than anyone else. Just different. In my case… weirdly different.
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How so? I tend to favor individualistic arguments. As you yourself noted, perhaps you have some issues with men?
Hideoho:
Good post and well spoken.Ozone wrote:
Yeah, and Tesla was also a raving loony.
This trait is called prejudice. I trust you will remember that you posess it the next time you berate a poster for believing that heterosexuals are inherently superior to homosexuals.
If you do not, then you will also posess a trait known as hypocrisy.
Spiritus Mundi:
Touche mon pussy-cat!
Lawdy, you’d think I was the anti-Christ. I keep forgetting how serious we all are on here!
avalongod wrote:
Yeah - none of 'em will marry me.
Seriously, it’s not like I scorn all men or diefy all women. I will again say it was the way I was raised. You open a door for a woman, ou give up your seat to a woman, you stand when a woman stands. Similarly, you take your hat off at the table, you chew with your mouth closed, you say “please” and “thank you” and you show respect to your elders. My father is an old-school gentleman, and frankly, I like being like that, and being like him. In our house, my father deferred just about everything to my mother, and I respect both of them very highly because of it.
Perhaps “superior” is a bad choice of words. Maybe I just feel they deserve more of my respect. Am I overcompensating for how women have been treated for so long? Men (in general, which I know is anathema on this baord) can handle themselves just fine in this world, so what’s wrong with giving women (again, in genarel) a little helping hand or a little extra courtesy? (Again, I wouldn’t deny a man a little extra courtesy as well, but I think about it more with a woman.)
Spiritus Mundi wrote:
Kee-rist, child, I may hold the door for a female co-worker, but other than small social niceties I do not treat men differently than women - every human being deserves my respect, but a woman deserves my seat more than I do.
Sheesh. Take a pill. Y’all are so serious.
Esprix
Esprix, you are mistaken if you think I am upset at you or that I am unrelaxed in this discussion. I do take ideas seriously. That is one of the reasons I come to this board and to this forum in particular.
The idea that you have espoused in this thread, that one class of humans is innately superior to another, is an expression of prejudice. I object to expressions of prejudice. In the past, you have also objected to prejudice. In this particualr case, you are embracing it.
I am in favor of treating all human beings politely, allowing for individual context, of course. It is not necessary to declare women superior in order to treat them politely. In fact, the paternalism that historically has gone along with the “woman-on-a-pedestal old-world-manners” that you speak of so fondly was also responsible for denying women acces to numerous “rough and tumble” environments (like politics or property ownership).
Prejudice is dangerous. I object to it. I object to it even when it is couched in terms of a “noble” ideal. If you can find no reason to be polite to a woman which is not grounded in prejudice, then I respectfully suggest that you have internalized the form of your parents behavior without grasping the meaning.
Um humm, yeah whatever.
I’ve taken it as a policy of mine to never to ever be in a situation where I can see my own blood.
Hey hey heeey, now. I think we’ve pretty much mastered hoops there now.
Peace,
SterlingNorth
IIRC, most of these ideas stem from Victorian England (at least in their modern form) where the prevailing notion was that women were the weaker sex, both physically and mentally. It was necessary not only to physically aid them by opening doors and carrying bags and such, but also aid their delicate psyches by deferring to them in trivial matters (think about it – your father deferred in the house. Did he ever defer outside the house?). If they were not so aided by men, then their health would suffer (so the beliefs went).
If you ask me, if you really stick to those old customs then you don’t really think women are better.
Mods! Please! Change the title of this thread! Take out the word “better” before I get crucified!
Please note I have recinded using the word - it was a poor choice. I have not yet found a suitable replacement that adequately expresses my feelings.
Spiritus Mundi wrote:
And of course I would never, ever deny women or men equal treatment to each other. I am speaking solely of social niceties.
I don’t see how a noble idea like deferring to a woman in social matters to be harmful. Technically, however, it does fit the dictionary definition of “prejudicial,” I’ll grant you that.
OK. I don’t have a problem with that… yet. I’m sure you and others will point it out in due course.
sixseatport wrote:
Did and does.
But isn’t it respectful to defer to one’s betters, be they elder, more experienced or knowledgable? Frankly, I regard everyone as my better, so I defer to them all (well, within reason); women just get a slight social advantage over men in my book.
Never has a woman ever complained about my behavior towards them. Some have politely declined me (“No, no, don’t get up, I’m fine”) and I accept that with grace as their choice. But given the opportunity, I will give them the choice to make in the first place.
I have submitted my dilemma to Miss Manners and will get back to you if she responds. 
Esprix
Nope. I don’t have a problem with it either.
Ozone…the definition of “equal” in the Encarta World English Dictionary" is “having the same priveleges, rights status and opportunities as others” In other words, when “equal” is used in these discussions, “equal importance” is what is meant, rather than literally such as 4 quarters is equal to a dollar. Hope I cleared your confusion…
There is no such thing as a superior sex. There are certain qualities men possess, and qualities women possess. Same holds true with some negative traits. When you put these two together…you have balance. My husband has strengths I don’t have, and vice versa for me. Together, we are a strong team.
I personally could care less that he’s better at math, in fact that’s good. Because of that strength my check book balances, just the same is it’s a good thing I am stronger in the cooking department than he is or we’d starve. I clean more, but he mows the lawn. I am better at comforting sick children, but he’s funner for them to play with…to much energy is wasted trying to outdo each other. We should accept each others strengths and learn to understand our differences.
There are famous engineers,mathmaticians,chefs,doctors and scientists of both sexes. To try and prove superiority based on the number of a particular sex in one profession is insane…maybe that’s because I don’t think that a famous female scientist is superior to a non-famous female housewife! No famous Male is superior to a non famous male either! Kinda turned into a novel…sorry everyone!!!