Yeah, but being a pain in the ass doesn’t really ping my ‘horrible’ meter. Most people are selfish in some way, and that’s not really climbing the ladder. Was Freddie Mercury ‘horrible’ because he was such a diva? If not, there’s no reason to ding others.
On a sort of ‘meta’ scale I might nominate so-called ‘reality’ stars like the Kardashians and Paris Hilton and such. By commanding the spotlight to such a degree they alter expectations of young women and subvert - in my kids circle, anyway - the types of things they strive for. I hear more ‘I want to be a celeb and live great’ rather than even ‘I want to act’ or ‘I want to be an engineer’.
You, uh, might want to read for context. The post immediately after the one you quoted makes the irony clear: it’s asinine to suggest that a woman is “horrible” because she doesn’t act like someone’s prejudicial notions of a 50 year old should act. The gold standard in this thread is a woman who raped her children while running interference for her pedophile husband.
Also, we don’t really have comics threads anymore, and the inspiration isn’t being published nowadays, but my username doesn’t have the faintest thing to do with Madonna songs. Although I do like “Ray of Light.”
Exactly. There’s been a rather horrible double standard going on in this thread, where women are being tagged as “horrible” because of things that men would not only get a pass for, but which are often how society would expect men to act.
To me, citing that someone bullied women into a sex cult and branded them as sex slaves is good evidence that is probably a horrible person. Throwing vague shade about rumors that a woman is difficult to work with, not so much.
the story is she was supposed to be in Men in Black 2 but was not because she was very hard to work with. (she was made a woman in black at the end of the first MIB)
Kevin Smith was warned about Linda Fiorentino’s behavior before he hired her for Dogma. But he went with her anyway. He has mentioned several times his regret at not listening to the warnings.
OTOH, she wasn’t apparently as difficult to work with as Bruce Willis in Cop Out.
To be fair, when someone in Hollywood gets a message that an actress is impossible to work with, it could just mean that she wouldn’t allow herself to be molested by Harvey Weinstein.
Not a horrible person but Sinead O’Connor is dealing with some severe mental illness issues that I can only imagine make the life of those around her pretty hellacious.
Does anyone still believe that Courtney Love killed her husband? That was a prominent CT a while back. If it’s true, that would make her pretty horrible. (IMO she’s not very horrible, just a messed up person)
So… the way I see it the only two “horrible people” in this thread comparable to the likes of Weinstein, Saville, or Cosby would be Marion Zimmer Bradly and Alison Mack. Meaning, they aren’t just bitchy or divas or “difficult to work with” but committing criminal acts and getting their rocks of by abusing (sexually and otherwise) other people.
Any other women come to mind for inclusion in the Legion of Evil?
You may have missed Mary Ellison, aka The Fabulous Moolah above. Nothing proven in a court of law, but there is an awful lot of hearsay.
There have been some truly evil women out there, including some sadistic murderers. But if we’re talking celebrity evil, usually it comes in two forms - sexual and/or financial exploitation. And compared to men, women only rarely have the right combination of both power and tendency to carry that through. So you’ve got Bradley preying on her powerless children, Mack acting as a cult sub-leader and Ellison( potentially )being in a rare female position of authority in a shady corner of the entertaiment business.
I imagine ther have been some established and vindictive actors that have managed to snuff out the potential career of a some young up-and-comer at some point. That would certainly qualify. But for all the rumors I imagine those are mostly undocumented/unproveable.
I have always wondered about the identity of the actress in that chapter, and had suspected that the character was a composite of young actresses aging out of glamor roles in Hollywood. I’ll have to go back and see if I can fit Leigh into that story.
Patty Duke suffered from bipolar condition, which made her a very nasty person. However, she clung to the belief that John Astin fathered her son Sean, even after DNA testing proved he was the genetic son of Michael Tell, whom Duke claims she never had sex with, so the test must wrong.
While not a child molester or cultist, opera singer Kathleen Battle was nonetheless legendarily difficult to work with.
Let’s be clear here - operatic divas are par for the course in the industry, and yet Battle was so bad she got fired during a high point in her career. That takes some doing. From what I remember of the period and the various stories circulating in the classical music world, I would guess that Battle was probably in the process of having a minor mental breakdown.
Lindsay Lohan is an addict whose personal problems are to a large extent her mothers’ fault. I don’t think that makes her equivalent to Nazis and child abusers
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Lindsay Lohan’s mother Dina would probably qualify for being a horrible person, but I not sure that she has done anything that would qualify her as being an “artist”. I’m sure there have been plenty of other stage moms that as bad or worse than hers.
No, she kept telling him that his father was Desi Arnaz Jr.
As for Courtney Love, it wasn’t just the drugs. While they’ve since made up, at one point her own daughter had a restraining order against her. And she’s got at least six or seven dis songs written about her. She’s apparently a really hateful individual.
I think it was Battle who, the story goes, called her agent from the backseat of a limo to ask him to call the boss of the driver to order the driver to turn off the radio - she naturally would not lower herself to speak to such a peon directly.
Why have those with a mental illness been included? Do people complain about the difficulty of having to put up with those with medical conditions that can impact those they work with, or is it “ok” to have to lie down with a migraine, or to faint when your blood sugar drops or to take lots of breaks when your angina is causing you pain?
To hold somebody who has an illness to account for behaviour attributable to that illness is not something that belongs in a thread about “horrible people”, IMO.
Michelle Shocked–who once made one of my favorite albums ever, Arkansas Traveler–went on a “God hates fags” ramble at a concert at a nightclub in San Francisco a few years back. I would argue that this shows the perils of (a) going off your meds before a gig or (b) combining menopause with newfound religious fervor, but it ended her career. Not Marion Bradley Zimmer bad, but what a disappointment.