Cite? I don’t recall ever seeing a news story about this happening. I’d suspect that in the vast majority of cases, those just robbing a store want to get out of there before the cops come, and are not going to stop to rape someone.
Blah it was from an interview by Michael Ghiglieri in the book I’ve mentioned several times. Yes, he may be an unreliable source. Yes, he may have made up a lot of crap in his book. But let’s make it hypothetical. The criminal could have just broke into a house and robbed some cash. With no witnesses and no foreseeable pursuit from police forces, this criminal who’s a repeated rapist may feel like doing so again when he sees a woman.
Yes, a majority of the cases we’d think criminal would want to get the hell out but keep in mind that the fact that he’s even robbing would already mean he doesn’t think like normal people. On top of that, it’s safe to say that a ***lot ***of rapes do not get reported and even more with absolute no media coverage.
Yeah, my bad for sounding so sure, I tend to do that more frequently than I’d want to but the scenario should not be discarded just because I didn’t present a specific case.
Actually now that I think about it, I think I tend to sound like I’m so sure about everything (when I’m not) is mainly sculpted by the education system. Teachers are quite often un-knowledgeable especially with broad topics. Sounding sure increases your chances of getting higher marks which in turn became second-nature to me.
That first post when I read and re-read sure sounds like you were saying clothing has little to nothing to do with rape. But it could be just me misinterpreting.
Either way, our takes on that hypothesis is predominantly more clear now.
Is there any statement you’re willing to make (or have already made) on this subject that should be taken seriously?
If sex is the point, then porn and hookers will blunt it. If it is control then they wont work.
I did try to briefly follow up on some of the references but the first book was out of print and I didn’t see anything obvious on the net about the author. I wouldn’t think a book written for rape prosecutors to be the most unbiased resource.
But I don’t care if 10% of rapes are premeditated or 90% are premeditated. If there’s proof that a rape was premeditated then lock him (or her) up for a very long time. If the rape was a “heat of the moment” crime then I think it should be considered as part of the sentencing, along with the actions of the victim.
Yeah but possibly because they have a sexual fetish for control, not because sexual urges don’t influence some rapes.
Are you incapable of in-taking information without being 100% uptight and serious? I have regurgitated some good points others made somewhere in that big clunk but I’m too lazy to re-re-read that huge shit. Honestly, I don’t get what is there to be so serious about a discussion in a forum that you have to distinguish fun and games from hardcore statements.
No, I think. Your question is a bit difficult to parse. You can assume that there is very little that I am incapable of, at least in terms of message-board discussions.
Well to keep it simple, why not post the following:
“One aspect of this subject that, all kidding aside, I think is pretty serious is…”
And whatever follows I’ll be happy to consider discussing seriously. As it is, while I like a good comical chat, this particular subject isn’t really all that funny. To you, though, it might be a laugh-riot, and that’s okay.
Well I’m not saying this is a laugh-riot because it definitely isn’t though that’s not to say there’s nothing comical about it. How is the thought of a violent rapist not wanting to take off his pants in the cold winter, because he’s afraid of his penis freezing over, not funny?
“One aspect of this subject that, all kidding aside, I think is pretty serious is…”
Although the sexual arousal caused by revealing clothing has a minuscule effect on why the rapist rapes someone, we can agree that opportunity is of utmost importance and revealing clothing provides that. While wearing revealing clothing, it not only creates easier access but at the same time leaves very little places for the person to hide weapons. Defenseless, a person is more prone to becoming the victim.
Some people actually dismiss sexual desires in the equation of rape crimes which is unreasonable. The very definition of rape requires sexual intercourse which isn’t a very convenient procedure to go through especially when the victim is struggling. So why go through all that hassle so commonly? Sure there are rapes that are entirely based on inflicting pain on the victim but would account for probably less than 1% of all rapes. Although psychology courses and the media may tell you that rape is actually about power and control instead of sex, people should not just blindly listen to their conclusions. We should open our eyes more when information is presented to us and use our minds to filter anything that isn’t very logical or correct.
You can listen to someone telling you something.
You can listen to someone telling you not to listen to something.
You can not listen to someone telling you something.
But you cannot not listen to someone telling you not to listen to them.
The discussion lies in how some premises are wrong and what some plausible contribution to a rapist’s actions are.
Maybe so, but I don’t think that precludes the occasional non-planned rape… especially in the heat of the moment. Nor does it preclude deciding to rape someone after having been repeatedly aroused by her attire.
I’m not arguing that women who dress provocatively are asking for it. Nor do I claim that this is necessarily a major factor in what causes rape. I’m just saying that this factoid doesn’t preclude the possibility that one’s choice of attire can increase one’s chances of being raped.
Blah, lemme rephrase something:
You can
listen to someone telling you something.
You can
listen to someone telling you not to listen to something.
You can
not listen to someone telling you something.
But you cannot
not listen to someone telling you not to listen to them.
The only articles I could find (unincluded because of a lack of cited studies) lump clothing in with behavior and appearance (Te Hawtness) - 4.4% for rapes (not separated into planned or unplanned) as opposed to 22% for murder (“she *looked *at me funny, bitch!”)
Possibly true, but I’m not sure we enough statistics to weigh how much of a factor clothing is. It’s entirely possible that alcohol/drugs play as large or larger a factor.
When induced with drugs and alcohol, the rape would probably no longer be violent because the drugs would paralyze the victim while alcohol impairs them. The power and control factor could then only be directed towards the rape crimes that the victims were influenced by neither drugs nor alcohol but forced to participate in intercourse physically. But even then the power and control factor plays very little in the majority of the cases. That is because we can generally agree that opportunity (drugs or not) is still the main player. And this opportunity may be presented as a result of the clothes they wear but of course, not solely based on that. And why are they seeking opportunities to rape? Because they want sex, consented or not.
So
…_ --> via drugs/acohol
Sexual Desires --> seek opportunity < _
…| --> by physical force
…|_
… --> mate normally with consent
Twisted crazy shit --> twisted inhumane actions
If we agree on that, then sexual desire is superior than control in the scheme of rape.
I don’t but this at all. Have you ever watched daytime TV talk shows? Being ugly, awkward and/or incredibly weird and delusional is no barrier to romance. Hell, it’s no barrier to marriage. Sorry, that one doesn’t pass the common sense test.
It seems to me that some of you are confusing “strong sexual desire for” with “strong impulse to rape.” No one is saying that you are a rapist because you really, really, really want in a girl’s pants and can be rather persistent. And no one is saying that we don’t expect you to have a sexual response to nice cleavage or legs that play peep-eye.
The difference is that you genuinely like women and playing fair by acknowledging her boundaries. You don’t try to physically overpower her. You don’t take advantage of her. You don’t force her to do anything. Everything is with her permission – at least by cooperation or gesture. That act is sexual.
If she indicates to you in any way that she doesn’t want to be touched – if she screams when you approach her – if she says no – if she tries to leave the room – if she fights you physically – if she calls for help – if you have to lock the door and hide the key – if you have to chase her – if you pin her arms behind her or to her side – if you damage her physically – if you feel angry with her – if you want to hit her – if you want her to shut up – if you want to call her names --if you want to “hurt” her like she hasn’t been “hurt” before, then it isn’t about sexual desire – it is about violence and power. You wouldn’t let clothes make any difference to you. You wouldn’t let her age make a difference. You don’t give a damn. She’s just another slutty bitch who’s going to get what’s coming to her.
You may not find much research on this topic on the internet. Most of these issues were researched thirty or forty years ago. Then it was common knowledge.
For one thing, About 98% of rapes happen between men and women who know each other. When there is violence between a man and a woman, isn’t it about power?
There was a study at Duke about Motivational factors in nonincarcerated sexually aggressive men. The study found that anger, power and disinhibition differentiated the sexually aggressive men from the nonaggressive men.
No, you keep misreporting the facts to support your theory. Wiki, for convenience.
Bolding mine, the reference link goes here, where the results were replicated over several samples;
The second link has a side menu where there’s an article (at the top) about self identified rapists who took part in a study - which confirmed hostility and power issues in line with other studies, but also noted that the only statistical difference in that study was the self confessed rapists tend to blame their fathers.
Whatever your *opinion *may be, the people who have *studied *rapists find the correlation has far more to do with anger than lust.