Women with little girl voices

your link does not allow me to hear the test. not sure why.

I came across another example while reading an unrelated article. It was about cast members of SNL that were apparently not very popular with their fellow cast members.

”Victoria Jackson?” asks castmate and SNL legend Jan Hooks. “I just have a particular repulsion to grown women who talk like little girls. It’s like, “You’re a grown woman! Use your lower register!”

Demi Moore, 5’5" deep voice

Scarlett Johansson 5’3" deep voice

Julie Kavner 5’7" deep voice

A lot of anecdotes but no real evidence.

The average height of an adult American woman is 5’4"; two of your three counter-examples are above-average in height, and Johansson is only slightly below average. I’m not sure what your point here is.

average height women with deep voices.

No, I’m describing how she produces the sound, not her physical anatomy. It may be her natural accent, but, ultimately, an accent is just how one habitually speaks. Just like someone with a British accent could attempt to speak like an American, I suspect she could attempt to speak with a neutral or low larynx and with her tongue and jaw opening more fully. And she could definitely choose to change her prosody–the melodic aspect of her voice.

The rest of my post was my poor attempt at giving myself a bit of wiggle room, and I retract it. I just don’t think it’s likely she actually has a vocal tract abnormality. I’ve heard a few people who do, and they sound different than she does, even though there are similarities.

Chenowith, mentioned above, is someone who to me sounds like she actually may have an unusual vocal tract. Her vowels sound open, and she can sing very operatically with that voice without any damage. And her natural speaking range isn’t all that high pitched–it just has that helium-style timbre.

And what does helium mimic? A smaller vocal tract. (Because sound moves faster in helium than air. )

Following that quote led me to an article where Jackson offers a very brief explanation for her voice.

Of course, I’m not saying that she’s correct - Jackson does not present as a smart person.

Jennifer Richards can do both:

This is the type of ‘little girl’ voice that I first thought about in the thread. It’s not simply high pitched, doesn’t have to be that high, but it’s speech without energy, soft, almost like a whisper but the speaker is enunciating as much as she can with her voice.

Great. Now I got a damn Wallflowers song stuck in my head.

I had a neighbor, a woman with one of the highest adult voices I’ve heard. It wasn’t put on, it was her voice. She was a rather overweight woman who was about six feet tall.

Singing voices don’t completely correlate with speaking voices, but there is no physical type that’s typically a contralto or a lyric soprano. It has to do with invisible physical traits, like the shape of your larynx.

Of course it is perfectly true that some women speak in little-girl voices to men, because they believe it is appealing to them. Which it must be, to some, otherwise the practice would not be so widespread as to be noticed.

I thought the deal was with a lot more women talking in high-pitched sing-song voices nowadays.

I first noticed this among the lifeguards at a pool we went to before we moved. Now, in our new (literally) neighborhood most of the neighbors are young folk and basically all the women talk almost like Betty Boop.

It’s really hard to talk with them since they sound so patronizing. It’s like a voice they would use to mock someone: “Oh, did you get youw itty-bitty feewings huwt?”

(I was a college prof, FWIW, so I spent a lot of time among young-ish women back when. And they didn’t talk like this.)

So we find those guys, take them into the alley behind the bar, and beat the snot out of them.

yeh, good idea.

So, like Julia Child?

Now that you mention it, very like.

I always thought it’d be a real bad idea to get into a bar fight with Julia Child. She’s a lot more meat cleaver than June Cleaver. :wink:

That and the fact that she worked for SOE in WWII. She wouldn’t need a cleaver.

Julia Child’s voice was more of a falsetto; something fairly rare among her gender.

If Peter Dinklage would prove this false, then Andre the Giant would prove this true. How to reconcile this? It would seem @kenobi_65 has the answer:

Moreover, there’s the fundamental pitch of one’s voice, which is at least partially controlled by the speaker, and may or may not be particularly low/high. The thing that I think really affects listener’s perceptions is how the speaker’s vocal geometry accentuates certain harmonic frequencies to a greater or lesser degree. A person with an innately small vocal tract (or one who is deliberately shaping their vocal tract in such a way) can sound like they’ve inhaled helium, even if their fundamental pitch is rather low. Conversely, a person with an innately large vocal tract can sound like they’ve inhaled sulfur hexafluoride, even if their fundamental pitch is rather high.

Here is a speech sample of the world’s tallest man. His fundamental frequency is rather high, and yet you can hear that all the fundamental frequencies selected by his vocal tract are considerably lower than what you would typically hear from a smaller person speaking in the same basic pitch.