Women's soccer (football), bigger in the US than England?

Semi Spoilers of the movie “Bend it Like Beckham” follow…

In “Bend it Like Beckham” a minor plot point was that the two british girl soccer stars get to play with an American scout in the stands, and they might be lucky enough to get a scholarship at an American college, if they are good enough. I think there was something made of the fact that the lassies could go pro in America at some point and actually earn money in their game.

This struck me as odd that soccer (football) girls in England (a huge football nation) would find the US a desirable place to ply their trade. But who knows. Is the US a better female socccer place? Obviously the guys are better off anywhere but the US, but what about the females?

Good female athletes in the U.S. don’t have as many options as males. There is no American football (with rare exceptions) or baseball, which attract a large number of male athletes, some of whom played soccer as boys.

Girls as they get older don’t drift into other sports so many more of them stick with soccer.

American women’s soccer has been very well organized for a long time and girls throughout the U.S. have been playing it for quite a while.

Combined with all of this is the fact that women’s soccer has been marketed well since the U.S. won the Women’s World Cup back in 1999.

Basically, yes they are better off in the US.

Here is the BBC’s page regarding Football. Try and find where it mentions Women’s Football.

I think that pretty much says it all.

The women’s soccer powerhouses are: USA, China, and Norway.

Usually not the big three in the men’s game.

Plus you don’t get sports scholarships to go to British Universities. We have this quaint notion that they are there to provide an education.

Indeed. Just peruse the theses of the Oxford boat crew if you don’t believe it.

However universities are only allowed to give out, at most, 12 scholarships in women’s soccer. This usually means that on a 25-woman squad, very few of the players are getting a full free ride. Most of the scholarships are shared (unless the player is a really big star) so the women have to pay something.

Men’s college soccer teams are allowed 9.9 scholarships so there has to be sharing.

IMHO, in countries that are really serious about soccer, it’s viewed as a man’s game. In the US, soccer is still seen as a healthy, low-risk physical pastime appropriate for boys and girls alike. Coed play is a lot more common in the US than Europe or Latin America. It’s a middle to upper middle class suburban game played without the intensity or macho that characterizes the European and Latin youth game. The idea is that no one plays hard enough to really get hurt, and practice ends early so everyone has time to study for their Algerbra quizzes.

The Euros and the Latins play soccer the way that Americans play basketball. It not unusual for boys to play from first light to last, and those who show talent are recruited into pro development teams from age 12 onwards. Soccer there is much more of a street game. Pro players and their teams are pop culture heroes to a degree unimaginable in the US.

Amarone is right on the college scholarship issue. The better opportunities for women players in the US are a function of college scholarships required by title IX. The scholarships offered to male players in moneymaking, alumni favored sports b-ball and football must be balanced out by scholarships offered to female atheletes No such scholarships exist outside of the US.

Women’s professional soccer is very popular in the US, especially back East. I have a freind who has been playing soccer all her life (dangerous when you only have one kidney, but I digress). She is a goaltender, and good players are in such high demand that she tends goal for two different teams! I assume they are in two different leagues…

In answer to the OP, and reinforcing what others have said:
Yes, women’s soccer is bigger in the US than in England or other traditional powerhouse nations of men’s soccer.

The Women’s United Soccer Association is, AFAIK, the only fully professional women’s soccer league in the world. It currently has eight teams (six on the US East Coast, 2 on the West Coast). It was founded in 2001, riding on the success of the 1999 Women’s World Cup, in which the USA beat China in the final on Brandi Chastain’s winning penalty kick. She ripped off her shirt and swung it around her head, making a golden book-and-magazine-cover photo opportunity. A group of investors saw the light, ran the numbers, and two seasons later the WUSA kicked off.

About 30 players on the rosters of the eight WUSA teams are from outside North America (Australia, Brazil, China, the Czech Republic, England, Finland, France, Germany, Japan, Norway, and Scotland). Almost all of the players who grew up in the US system had university soccer scholarships, so have been nurtured in a way that is unknown elsewhere. Thus, when the English girls in Bend It Like Beckham play in the presence of a scout from Santa Clara University, it is truly a “big deal”. If they want to succeed as professional players, the US is currently the place to be. Santa Clara U. has one of the premier women’s soccer programs in the US, headed by Jerry Smith, whose most famous alumna is now his wife - the aforementioned Brandi Chastain. About a dozen other SCU alumnae are playing professionally for the WUSA.

However, it’s not all roses. WUSA players’ salaries range from ~$40k to ~$80k per annum, which is far below those of most male pro athletes in the US, or male soccer players in Europe. Due to the current economic recession, the WUSA has been forced to make cutbacks – the number of players on each team’s roster has been reduced, and the higher-paid players have taken salary cuts. Title IX, the US federal rule that pumped money into women’s college sports starting in the 1970s, is under attack. WUSA attendance is only about 7000 per game on average, and fewer games are being televised this season than in the previous two. It is still not clear if the league will succeed in the long haul. Unlike the WNBA (US women’s basketball), which is an offshoot of the (men’s) NBA and thus has some extremely deep pockets to dip into, the WUSA is an independent body and at some point will need to make some money for its investors.

Personal note: I am a fan of the WUSA San Jose CyberRays team, led by Brandi Chastain and starring three Brazilian ball-magicians (Katia, Sissi, and Pretinha). I was in fact one of about 17000 spectators at a CyberRays game earlier today. The increased attendance was due to (a) the “Hamm Effect” (the CyberRays were playing the Washington Freedom with Mia Hamm, who always draws a large crowd), and (b) the fact that it was a “double-header” game with the local men’s team (San Jose Earthquakes) vs the Kansas City Wizards.

It was interesting watching US Women’s and Men’s League soccer back-to-back. For the women, there were probably a dozen of the world’s top 100 players on the field. There were probably only three other women’s soccer games of comparable quality being played anywhere in the world on this day (these being between the other six WUSA teams). For the men, only one player on the field (Landon Donovan) has any kind of international name recognition, mainly based on last year’s World Cup. Around the world, there were probably hundreds of men’s soccer games with equivalent talent. However, more people watch the Earthquakes every week than the CyberRays. For the WUSA fans, the support is almost at a religious level, because they are aware that if they don’t support the league it will fold. You just don’t get the same impression at men’s sporting events. Still, the men draw the higher attendance figures.

Top right on that page with picture

England girls do a turn or two for you

But amanset’s link points to the BBC’s default football page, which updates every day. He’s right that normally there would be no mention of women’s football there.

Another link* on today’s edition mentions that Fulham women’s team beat Arsenal recently. I believe that Fulham are the only fully professional women’s team in the UK, and that they only went professional from the beginning of this season. They play in a league of ten teams (against 20 in the equivalent men’s league) and there are a total of 34 women’s teams in the league’s full pyramid structure (vs hundreds in the men’s set-up).

Attendances are also much lower for women’s games than for men’s. But as this article explains, women’s football used to be much more popular and better organised here before WWII.

*Try to ignore the humourous connotations of the featured goalscorer’s surname in the context of this thread.

Indeed. I couldn’t find attendance figures beyond this article stating how pleased the Leeds United Ladies (yes, that seems to be their official name) are with an attendance over 500. The corresponding men’s team will probably average 30 - 40,000.

Indeed. Even more telling is the menu on the left which has links for many different types of football:

Premiership
English Div 1
English Div 2
English Div 3
Non League
FA Cup
Internationals
Champions League
Other European
Scottish Premier
Other Scottish
Welsh
Irish
African
But no women’s.

This is actually their third, and last, professional season. I think they’ve already gone semi-professional. As with the Fulham men’s team Mohammad al-Fayed’s charity will only stretch so far.

Last I read Fulham LFC, Arsenal LFC and Doncaster Belles were all semi-pro with Leeds LFC having plans to follow suit.

Doncaster is the only one of those without links to a men’s team, to the best of my knowledge. Even if they are linked to a men’s team it’ll only be Doncaster Rovers.

All I’ve seen on the BBC TV about women’s football is brief international highlight of England Ladies matches and the Women’s FA Cup final (live on BBC1 last year and this).

I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw. In a footballing sense, of course. Doncaster lost 2-1 to Fulham.

There are 34 teams in the women’s premier league, 10 in the national division and 12 each in the north and south divisions but there are other teams outside the Women’s FA Premier League.

The equivalent to the 34 women’s teams is the 92 men’s teams in the Premier League and Football League. The biggest and best, but not all the teams there are.

Leeds United Football Club’s women’s team is Leeds United Ladies Football Club. It’s a perfectly reasonable naming convention followed by Fulham LFC, Arsenal LFC and most others.

Of course there are times when it’s a bad idea, such as Barking Ladies Football Club (in the FA Women’s Premier League Southern Division).

Small crowds grow from little interest. There were nearly fifteen thousand at the last Women’s FA Cup final, I believe. Arsenal Ladies play at St. Albans City’s ground, Clarence Park. Not a big stadium. The average attendance for St. Albans City in 552. Arsenal will play the second leg of their Women’s UEFA Cup semi-final at a larger stadium, Barnet’s Underhill.

The reason for my comment was that I suspect that Americans, who make up the majority of the posters, will find it an unusual name. I could be wrong, of course, but I’ve never heard of any sport in the US being described as the “ladies”; if the female gender is specified, it is always “women”.

In the US, 23 WUSA (women’s league) games are due to be televised this season, including one each Saturday on PAX TV, a network that programs family-oriented entertainment and claims to reach 86% of US households. ESPN2, the mainstream sports cable channel, will show the mid-season All-Star game and some of the post-season playoffs.

Since there are 8 WUSA teams and each plays each of the others three times each season, the regular season involves 84 games, of which 19 are televised nationally. Some additional games may be broadcast on local TV, but I understand this will happen less this year than last.

Here in the San Francisco Bay Area, the nightly TV local news broadcasts spend about 10 minutes on sports updates. Most of this is (American) Football, Baseball, Basketball, (Ice) Hockey, Golf, or Tennis depending on time of year. However, during soccer season they spend about a minute recapping San Jose Earthquakes (men’s soccer) and San Jose CyberRays (women’s soccer) games that took place that day. About 50% of the time they’ll show a video clip of some of the day’s goals. They seem to give equal billing to the men’s and women’s games.

Well, there is the LPGA, the Ladies Professional Golf Association. Nobody ever talks about “lady golfers”, however, unless they want to sound like Hootie Johnson.

Women’s football is so low profile in the UK as to be non-existent. It did enjoy a period of poularity before WWII, but that was as a novelty sport rather than a real contest.

Most clubs have a ladies team, but this is more of an obligation than anything else.

And to cap it all We even managed to lose to Arsenal at bird’s football. There is no god. But if any likely lasses fancy plaing for the frontwheels, they’re looking for players

Personally, I find the standard of women’s football in the UK to be rather low (from watching the one or two games a season that get shown on Sky Sports). Poor passing, lousy tactics, no passion. I accept that this is because the women’s game doesn’t yet have the infrastructure to allow professional teams, and there isn’t the structure to bring good players through from schoolgirl teams (and girls don’t play football at most schools - so there isn’t a huge grass-roots game to start with). I also feel that the coaching standards are not great.

Our women players don’t play at the same standard as the USA women - because our womens’ game is not as well developed as in the USA.

Not true. In womens’ college basketball, the Tennessee Lady Volunteers are a powerhouse.

And the LPGA is called “girly golf” around our house, and the Senior tour is “geezer golf.”