I think people who dismiss things like plotholes, sloppy editing and a merely decent story are doing a huge disservice to the genre and the future of these movies.
Hollywood will take for granted that a solid B- movie will get praised up the wazoo and be a huge hit and will stop trying to do better.
My standard is as simple as: Did I have a good time? Was I appropriately interested/entertained?
If so, I guess I don’t care so much about a plothole because I still got my $10 worth and had a fun time out. The genre can fend for itself.
I think that’s all people want from these superhero movies and TV shows, unfortunately. Was it “fun”?
(I haven’t seen WW yet and have no idea how big of an issue these things are in her case.)
On the other hand, really bad editing and plotholes can make a film much less fun (see Suicide Squad) so being primarily concerned with “Did I have fun?” isn’t mutually exclusive to half-competent movie making.
True. I mean, any Superhero film will have some plot holes, but Suicide Squad was like swiss cheese.
I don’t think you’re fully wrong. I think the climate certainly helped its popularity and I suspect it git a lot more attention from woman who might have dismissed it but if I had to quantify it I would guess maybe it added 15% to its box office.
I will also say that as a Superhero Movie with a female lead it had a lot of pressure. It didn’t have the luxury of being even mediocre. Mediocre would not have been good enough. Middling reviews and box office would have brought out the “See, women can’t open Superhero movies” think pieces. As is often the case with women and minorities it had to be twice as good to get half as far. Luckily it succeeded.
Decent story and characters I care about is pretty much my whole reason for watching movies.
My only complaint was that Ares (David Thewlis) looked too much like Jeffrey Jones, and for the entire final battle I couldn’t get the final battle to Howard the Duck out of my head. A distraction that I won’t blame the movie producers for 
A long standing bone of contention within the comic book. Why bother having bracelets if you’re are pitched as being as invulnerable as Superman?
I don’t think the original Wonder Woman was invulnerable to gunfire.
Just saw the movie today. I didn’t have to work today, and I got tired of waiting for DH to make time to see it, so I went to a cheap morning show.
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Do you mean Golden Age charm? I have several original vintage Wonder Woman’s from the 1940s, and this did really have an authentic feel. I was worried about hoe they were going to handle the Etta Candy character, because she’s a bad joke in the 1940s, who wouldn’t fly now. I thought they translated her beautifully into something that was still authentic, but not offensive.
The Silver Age was the so-called “Diana Rigg” age where Wonder Woman was more like Batman-- she was an ordinary person who accomplished everything through intestinal fortitude, and some 1960s-style meditation. I also have a collection of those comics. Plus, I have the whole 1990s Wonder Woman, where she was more like Xena, Warrior Princess.
I got the impression that despite what the comics say, Ares was pretty much telling Diana that her mother conceived her in the ordinary way with Zeus. That would make her a demi-Goddess, and explain why she can fly.
As for the twist ending, I saw it coming as soon as Sir Armistice made his first appearance. I also knew the sword wasn’t going to be the answer, but I didn’t find the line that she was the godkiller as good as other big reveals. I kept thinking, “Why can’t the godkiller use a sword?” It didn’t seem to make a lot of sense. And yes, Ares WWI moustache was silly.
But I liked the movie quite a lot. I hope Gal Gadot gets to play Wonder Woman again.
Strangely enough, there seems to be almost zero merchandising going on. I went to Barnes and Noble to look for action figures and statues and they have nothing. I pre-ordered something on Amazon but it’s not coming until October. I don’t see any displays or stands anywhere, not even empty ones as if they had sold out.
Meanwhile, my wife owns two dolls (I’d say “action figures” but they’re Barbie sized) – both in traditional WW garb but one with a horse – and some jacket she ordered.
So, uh, you can come over here and play with them if you want.
My wife hates movies full of violence and explosions. As close as she’s ever gotten to a fantasy film was LOTR. So it surprised me that she wanted to see WW. And she enjoyed it, as did I. Interesting to see Robin Wright in a totally different role, and I laughed out loud when I saw Varga from Fargo as the bad guy.
The setting of a piece of fiction is the context in which the action of the story takes place. Literally none of the action i Wonder Woman takes place in the Louvre. You could cut the bookend pieces out of the movie entirely, and nothing about the movie would be changed. Conversely, if you cut out all the WWI stuff, the movie would consist of Diana receiving an email, about fifteen minutes of her thinking about her childhood, and then Diana responding to the email. The whole film would be shorter than a typical episode of Full House.
Look at it this way: say a friend came to you and said, “I really want to watch a movie set in the Louvre. Can you recommend one?” Do you really think Wonder Woman would satisfy their request?
No, I meant Silver Age. The “Wonder Woman as mod spy” phase of the comic only lasted about five years, right at the tail-end of the Silver Age. For most of that era, Wonder Woman had her super powers. And was written by Bob Kanigher, arguably the Silver-Agiest of Silver Age writers.
I figured Ares wasn’t going to be the German guy, but I thought he might turn out to be the disfigured German girl.
She needed her shield to protect her from the German machine gun fire, her bracelets are not enough and it looked like the MG was going to soon penetrate the said shield if Steve and the rest of the battalion had not arrived.
So she is a bit like the early versions of Superman. Bullet resistant not invulnerable, IIRC there was an early comic where an ordinary artillery shell could hurt Supes.
Yes, why should Ares be the Nazi supporting real life German General?
She wasn’t. She just apparently knew how to attack the tower without getting a scrape.
Maybe it was someone else’s blood? No. Kidding.
Well, first of all, they weren’t Nazis. Also, does anyone else think that Sir Armistice was a stand-in for Lloyd George? He even kinda looks like him. I can see where it wouldn’t seem politic to use real politicians and generals, and Lloyd George did sort of hold up the Armistice by wanting to be lenient with Germany, against the wishes of the US and France, which if you are writing a movie, is going to look suspicious. Up until then, he’d been a good leader, though, something the movies never showed up, because we only see the tail end of the war.
The end of the war seemed too WWII-ish, to me-- or maybe just too American. In her diaries, Vera Brittain said that when everyone came home, no one was saying “We won the war!” just “The war is over.”
