Au contraire.
Even when a disadvantaged person has got the vaccine, thaqt person would need a second trip to get the ID. The APP seems like a good idea.
I can honestly say I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Maybe take a second run at it.
It solves a problem. An actual problem. A real problem that is killing real Americans every day. Voter ID doesn’t fix a damn thing.
That’s the entirety of my argument. You’re Welcome
When mask mandates were in full force I was amazed (and I mentioned it here a few times) at how many people, when told to put in their mask by a store employee, would start a fight, yelling and screaming at some high school kid about their freedoms and how we’re nazi shitheads and on and on and on when all they had to do was say ‘I have a breathing problem’. That’s it. Case closed, it’ll be completely dropped after that.
They’re arguing because the want to argue. Often times that’s not a big deal, but a 60 year old guy yelling at my 16 year old cashier doesn’t work for me. We have a number of people that are no longer welcome in our store now.
Ok.
- Disadvantaged people are vaccinating at a lower rate. African-Americans are vaccinated at a lower rate.
- Vaccine Passports will affect said people more.
- The Vaccination card is not designed as an ID, so, it’s not a good object to use as vaccine passport.
- Therefore, you’d need to get another form of object to use as vaccine passport. This will further (as per voter ID) or might further make it difficult for said people to get the vaccine passport.
Where did you get the idea that the vaccination card and the vaccination passport are different things? They’re not. They’re just two terms for the same document.
#1 Show me WHY disadvantaged people are getting vaccinated at a lower rate and tell me how that has anything to do with getting an ID for voting.
#2 Well, yeah, that’s sorta the point.
#3 It’s not an ID. We already covered that.
#4 Luckily, that’s not the case. However, it could also be as simple as creating an easy way for people to verify that a card is legit and punish people that forge cards or use cards that aren’t theirs.
Something as simple as a thumbprint (on the card, when you get it) would do a good job of serving as proof the card is yours without requiring a photo ID.
Based on the following quote LauderdaleFort appears to be confused about it.
I got my vaccine card on my first trip. Then, they filled out the second dose on the same card. If I got the J&J vaccine, one trip would get me vaccine card. If an app were required, that could disenfranchise some people – people without smartphones.
I purposely didn’t address that point since I presume that he intends to use exactly that line of reasoning.
Keep in mind his OP was about how we could justify wanting a vaccine passport while at the same time wanting to get rid of voter IDs. He seems to have drifted pretty far from that and still has yet to show any meaningful connection between the two. Meaningful enough that they should be treated similarly.
Yeah, failing to see the connection.
Getting a vaccination card involves getting a vaccine. That’s it. We’ve made an effort to make sure as many people have a vaccination site within a few miles of their homes so with vanishingly few exceptions, most people can get a vaccine with at most modest effort and the vast majority with no real difficulty at all.
Even foreigners have been able to come to the US to get vaccines (and associated vaccination cards) when they couldn’t get vaccinated at home.
Getting a Voter ID often involves traveling to a site that is almost certainly not within a few miles of home for most Americans. And one does not simply get a valid Voter ID by showing up to vote. In many states, registering at polling sites isn’t even done.
There’s a totally busted syllogism here and it’s a headscratchingly bad one.
Be that as it may, I’ve heard this for 9 years and in those 9 years, just about everyone who needed a photo ID could have gotten one. Even if it was a hurdle.
Nine. Years.
AFAIK, by far the biggest perpetrators of voter fraud is the same group which complains about voter fraud. IOW, Republicans.
Yeah, I remember three years ago when it became free to get an ID to vote…
Huh? It’s not free? That seems like a poll tax to me. I thought those were unconstitutional.
ETA: I wonder if any new eligible voters have come along in those Nine. Years. Or, if anyone has moved to a different voting district. Or, if any valid ID has become expired in those Nine. Years. Probably not. Everything has been status quo.
Really? Cause the arguments I’ve heard in favor are that it’s trivially easy for anybody to get one and that such hurdles don’t exist - and shouldn’t in a functioning democracy.
Almost like the goalposts are shifting before my eyes.
But this is a separate discussion from the OP, which already accepts that Voter ID carries burdens that are non-trivial. As compared to getting a vaccination card, which actually is as easy as getting a vaccine - something we actually want everybody to do.
Getting back to the OP, if poor or black people are inconvenienced - too bad. We can’t let potential virus-infected people go about. The virus doesn’t care for race or privilege.
Do you really not get it? This is totally the opposite of reality and what we want.
We actually want everybody possible to get vaccinated. And we have made this as easy to do as we can. And cards are being given to anybody who gets one.
There’s no “too bad” about it at all. The OP is just wrong. It’s not a matter of inconvenience at this point, it’s a matter of choice. It inconveniences EVERYBODY ELSE if they don’t, because it means the disease runs rampant that much longer. Your privilege is showing if you think this can somehow be limited by race or income level.
Now we’re getting down to it! If they’re inconvenienced for what reason? This thread is all over the place. What is it that you are ok with? Voter ID? Covid vaccination?
I’m in favor of both voter ID and vaccination requirements, but as this thread is about the latter, I’ll leave the former out of it.
Not only am I totally onboard with the ‘vaccine passport’ requirements, I’m even in favor of mandatory vaccination for everyone, barring severe health exceptions.
The reluctance for the Covid vaccine is almost always mental and fueled by fake news, and I see no reason to accomodate such folks. Let them be heavily fined if they don’t get the jab.
My question was about what you were Ok with inconveniencing “black people” about?
I’m not saying, even remotely, that they are limited. I’m just saying the don’t at the same levels.
My vaccine card is a terrible form of ID.