World Cup 2022 - discussion, predictions, and thoughts

Final thoughts:

Lionel Messi got his whatever-this-event-has-instead-of-a-ring. Awesome. :grin::fireworks:

There has to be some kind of rule that whenever an incredibly long-suffering jock, franchise, or fanbase is on the verge of finally reaching the top, they CANNOT make it easy for themselves, they absolutely MUST turn it into an unbelievably long, torturous, blood vessel-popping, brain-frying ten thousand mile-long emotional rollercoaster. Think the Boston Red Sox in the '04 ALCS the Chicago Cubs in '16 World Series, the '94 and '95 Houston Rockets, or pretty much every Musashimaru yusho. I felt like that after Argentina nearly blew a 2-0 lead. How do you give up two goals to a team that you scored two goals on?? I just can’t wrap my head around it. And I also recall that there was a time (just once, but it happened!) where Messi’s extra time goal would’ve iced it right there. But it always has to be a nailbiter, always has to be gut-wrenching, always has to be by a thousandth of a hair. I get the feeling that if the Super Bowl is Bills vs. Vikings, it’s going to go to 6 overtimes and there will be 18 missed field goals and 120 penalties and 80 call reviews, half of which they’ll freaking still get wrong. That’s why I don’t have the stomach for live sports anymore. Unless it’s something fun like figure skating, or cornhole, or drone racing.

I decided before the match that while a back-to-back World Cup would be a nice mark on history, I’d be okay with France losing. Two championships and one second place over the last seven World Cups proves beyond any shadow of doubt that they’ve arrived. Much like the '18 Golden State Warriors, they’re still plenty loaded and will be back. I do like the idea of a strong France because Europe should have a strong representative. Spain and Germany aren’t consistent enough, Italy is an enigma, and we just can’t depend on England. (I’m sorry, we can’t!)

The big moment for VAR (that I witnessed, anyway) was during the France-England match where, with France up 2-1, a French defender bulldozed an English striker in the box from behind, a blatant penalty which went uncalled. However, after several seconds, the video official stopped the game, and, after some deliberation, correctly called the penalty! The shot-taker missed high and the game ended with the same score. This crucial correction of a truly unforgivable ref omission legitimized France’s win and proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that VAR has a positive effect on the game. Still some fine-tuning to be done, of course, including #ffs#d# (I will never, ever use that word in any soccer discussion again, ever, ever) calls, but it’s proven its worth and I really hope it sticks.

As for American side, a humble plea…enough. I remember when we were “turning the corner”. I remember when we were “taking a step forward”. I remember when we were “giving Brazil/Italy/Germany a scare”. I remember when we were “finally taking this game seriously”. I even remember when we were “really sticking it to France” (man, was '02 Alice in Wonderland territory or what?). And now we’ve “shown we can compete with the best”. I can’t help but notice that, other than the aforementioned Soccer Event From Another Planet, every single one of these hopeful or encouraging or corner-turning runs ends up in the exact same freaking place. Folks, listen to me…the American men’s soccer team is the Los Angeles Clippers. They get into the playoffs, they get out of the playoffs. And that is the best you’ll ever see from them. Now, you can be happy for this! It’s okay to have low expectations! We’re not a soccer powerhouse any more than Brazil is a hockey powerhouse! That’s the reality! It’s perfectly all right to be a fan! But the idea that they’re getting better or are going to contend for the championship 4 years or 16 years or 100 years from now is a dream, and at this point a completely played-out one. I’ll believe it when I see it. You should too.

As for Qatar, here’s the deal. I will completely whitewash all my political and human rights concerns and cheerfully celebrate an absolutely glorious final (and an entertaining 3rd place match) as soon as the government of Qatar provides lavish death benefits to the families of the 6,500 dead migrant workers, pays full compensatory damages to the liquor companies who were not allowed to sell beer in the stadium after signing deals with them, and contributes, mmm, $50 million sounds reasonable, to nonprofit organizations that help women and underprivileged minorities.

Alas, poor Lloris.
I knew him, Horchata.

Great game: well officiated, France dormant for three quarters of it, then wow. Been a good World Cup, much better than I expected from Qatar. Will Messi really retire? Don’t see it as guaranteed.

Greatest game of football I have ever seen. The first World Cup final I watched was 1990 which was not a great spectacle. 1994 was even worse. 2006 was the best in terms of drama but it was quite a cagey game. Today we got drama and incredible end to end football too. Argentina were the only team who showed up for 75 minutes but once Mbappe scored that incredible volley to make it 2-2 it looked like this was only going to end one way now and that was a French victory. The final whistle was music to Argentina’s ears because they needed the break to go again in extra time.

I think this final went the best way. Messi gets the title and now cements himself the GOAT in my opinion. I had him already as the GOAT because I think 15+ years of elite performance and record breaking numbers weigh more than a 4 week tournament every 4 years. But now he has the World Cup title the one thing that could be held against him is wiped out. But Mbappe also took the baton and is the best player in the world now and the way he is going will be in the conversation if he stays injury free. Mbappe is essentially Brazilian Ronaldo in the 1990s before knee injuries changed his playing style. The skill, balance, pace and power is just unbelievable to watch. It’s such a unique mesh of quality he has to be that fast, that strong and also graceful with the ball. R9 had it and he is the successor.

I don’t understand substituting or limiting use of your best players. I appreciate these issues can be complex. But… I don’t really know why Portugal waited 51 minutes to play Ronaldo against Morocco. France needed fresh legs for sure after a first half without shooting. Subs were clearly needed. But Giroud? Griezmann? Were these really the best choices when all ten played mediocre football? Sure, they got even. Still…

Not to mention Giroud and Griezmann would probably have been handy in the shootout…

That’s hindsight at the end of the day. Giroud has his qualities in holding the ball up front and winning balls in the air but the Argentine defenders probably preferred having a duel with him than a foot race with a pacy forward instead. Griezmann has been excellent in the tournament as a ball winner and creator but he looked really tired today. The subs who came on for France played well.

I wondered about these subs when they occurred - at that point even Mbappe looked subdued. Again, I am sure the coaches know the game and their team better than I. I still found the above surprising choices - I understand they were not playing well and fresh legs would help. I might have chosen others, at that time also lacking Argentina’s inspiration.

The match was exciting, Messi won and Mbappé got the golden boot. I’ll take it.

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Giroud was maybe not fully fit after appearing to over-extend his knee in (I think?) the England game. Anyway, with all the talk of a virus in the French camp, they were maybe gambling with some selections, hence the swift substitutions when it wasn’t working out.
I think we have to appreciate that France very nearly turned a lost game around. The substitutions seemed to work. I thought Griezmann was excellent but with his club/contract situation he doesn’t normally play full games, so perhaps 75 minutes is about right for him.

The save Martinez made in the last seconds of extra time to stop France winning it right at the end was amazing. Time stood still when the ball bounced before the French forward shot. It was a clean strike and I suspect 9 times out of 10 that is a goal.
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It is always a goal, except in a World Cup final. Remember Arjen Robben against Iker Casillas 2010? Same heart-stopper, same outcome: both should have scored, both did not.

Yeah I remember Robben’s miss. Also Higuain missing the target completely in a one on one in the 2014 final. These are the moments that probably still eat away at them. IIRC Messi also missed a good chance in 2014 but now he has put that right and won the trophy.

That Messi pass to di Maria…the placement, the timing…the most exquisite killer pass I’ve ever seen.

Where can I upload the pictures and videos?

Imgur app is what I use, it’s an app you upload pictures to. you basically share a link to the photos here , they don’t upload here .

downloading, thanks!

A great final match, and a very good World Cup overall. Let’s check my predictions from a month ago:

  • Argentina to win the WC :white_check_mark:
  • Belgium runners-up :x:
  • Canada to score their first-ever goal :white_check_mark:
  • Canada to get out of the group :x:

You win some, you lose some :grin:

My appartment’s window this morning:

People celebrating on top of Don Quixote’s monument, downtown Buenos Aires

I’ll post more later, I’m very tired right now for some reason :smiley:

I was devastated let me tell you, I don’t know how the players managed to keep going after that, they have guts, whatever else you can say.

Give him an extra treat from me! thanks Jack!