World Cup 2022 - discussion, predictions, and thoughts

No, I literally missed two groups in the sports newspaper I read (a Spanish one). I did not scroll down enough! :man_facepalming:

A dangerous sliding tackle. Does not sound as colourfull as blood tackle, but should be a red card in both languages. Flagrant foul or rough tackling also come to mind.

My pleasure, you’re welcome. That is my job! I enjoy linguistic challenges and even made a website on untranslatable terms. German-English? Let’s make it tri-lingual! Let us add Spanish too!

Assuming England beat USA and Wales beat Iran in the second matches, then Iran will have zero hope of advancing, but will have rivalry/politics/history/pride reasons to try to beat the USA. Meanwhile, England will be locked to advance… but will have any incentive at all to beat Wales? I guess LOSING to Wales would leave them 2nd in the group, in this hypothetical. How much of an England vs Wales sporting rivalry is there?

My understanding is that it’s huge and that England’s fans will want to crush Wales.

I can’t remember if you already said you don’t have cable, but I’ve been watching for free on Telemundo in Spanish, and also on the regular Fox channel.

I don’t have cable. I’ll pay my $5 to see live matches on Peacock and anything I miss, I’ll catch free on Tubi(in English!).

The current 32-team format is so nice and symmetrical that I get frustrated thinking about the change to 48 for next time. If I understand correctly, it’s meant to be 16 groups of 3, with the top two going through to a 32-team knockout. A change for the worse as far as I can see.

Yes England v Wales is HUGE as it’s like a local derby. Also, it’s a World Cup match. Every WC game is a massively big deal (with the exception of the third place play off). And of course winning the group gets you a theoretically better draw in the next round. So England would want to win such a game anyway, but they will especially want to ensure they beat Wales - most of the players know each other and they would get absolutely torn apart by the UK media and mocked by every non-English UK football fan.

If Wales get any sort of result against England they will rightly be talking it for generations. Welsh kids born in a centuries time will be familiar with the goals before their tenth birthdays as it would become part of Welsh sporting lore. It will need a good referee as the tackles will be flying.

As for extra time etc, yes I agree the modern usage for the time added on by the referee is ‘stoppage time’ so I shouldn’t have used injury time - as that’s a colloquialism.

I don’t feel that England vs. Wales is a huge rivalry, at least not from the English perspective (unless we’re talking about rugby, which is a different matter.) England fans see their big football rivals as Germany and Argentina, which illustrates that rivalries tend to work upwards. German fans would probably be similarly bemused by the idea of England as their rivals, because they have won many tournaments and England have only won one. For them it’s probably Brazil or Italy.

English fans generally want Wales to do well unless it is at their own team’s expense. I actually dread playing Wales or Scotland because they often seem to play particularly well against us.

No, our arch-enemy in football are the Netherlands. And that’s mutual. This has been going on at least since the 1974 final in Munich.

Yup, exactly.

While not a rival on footballing terms, was East vs West Germany a big deal?

“Ik wil mijn fiets terug!”

[I want my bicycle back!]

Wow. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a PK call on a stage like this for something so soft. Not even clear to me where the foul was on first replay.

Saudi up 2-1. Argentina look tired and unathletic. Wow.

Holy shit! Saudi Arabia up 2-1 on Argen-friggin-tina?

It’s 3am here on west coast - I’m trying not to irritate my neighbors. Looking out at the other buildings around my neighborhood, it seem there are a few other World Cup fans around.

If the score holds there will be mass suicides in Argentina and also on the Dope.

(It shouldn’t, the Saudi have been stout in defence but I think the Argues should break through in the next 20 minutes).

JP Dellacamera is a terrible announcer. Completely flat statements of things and repeating himself over and over. I hate most of the American soccer announcers, but he’s driving me crazy this morning.

In the 40 years of existence of both states, there was only one game between the two, in the group stage of the 1974 WC in Hamburg. GDR won 2-1, and though they didn’t advance and FRG would win the tournament in the end, it was a big deal with a lot of prestige for the East Germans and an embarrassment for the West Germans. It was still Cold War after all.

Argentina have not conceded two goals in a WC opener since 74. (Poland).
They have not lost a competitive game since 2019 (Copa America Semi Final).

(Plus the was a pretty blatant dive by Messi).

Other than the penalty, which was very soft, Argentina haven’t been dangerous at all. Messi missed a good opportunity about 90 seconds and then basically nothing since.