World of Warcraft General Discussion

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4001

Yes, East! East! Sorry about that, Quasi - I hope getting myself turned around didn’t get you turned around :smack:

The fellow who proposed the idea told me he’s gotten pretty good response from the other people he contacted, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how it pans out.

When it comes to undercutting on gatherables, I think part of the problem is the “non gatherers” who happen to find 1-2 of an ore or herb in a chest or dropped by a mob, and they stick it on the AH without looking to see what the market price is because posting the stuff isn’t an everyday thing for them. So I come along with my stack of 20, and in the AH window I sort all the other auctions by stack size and see that most people are selling their stacks of 20 for, say 20g. I stick my stack of 20 up there and have Auctioneer set to “Undercut”, and it goes with a price of 11g, which makes me say, “WTF?!” Then I scroll down through the list and discover that somebody has posted a single chunk of ore for 60 silver. Auctioneer sees that as the low price and calculates its “undercut” price based on that.

What Auctioneer needs is a setting to ignore stacks of less than a certain size when calculating prices. For now, when the above scenario happens, I just look at the stacks of 20 and manually assign a price to my stuff based on those other stacks of 20.
My dwarf hunter acquired his first pet last night. I chose to go with a Snow Leopard, who I named … Spoticus :stuck_out_tongue:

4002

I should be ok. I think all the critters there are about 45-46, which I can take on two at a time if necessary, and according to Wowhead it’s possible to sneak and jump around to the quest guy without even pulling aggro from the trolls. The main issue is going to be travel time.

4003

My AH Weirdness for the Day:

I logged on last night for the first time in probably a week. I stopped by the auction house, just to see if there were any cheap pets and/or bijous available. What I saw was that there were, indeed a bunch: someone had posted at least a dozen Azure Whleplings, each for less than 400 gold. The going rate for these pets has been consistently around 1,200 gold (the cheapest I’d seen previously was around 1,000 gold, but only when there were multiple individuals trying to sell one).

How the heck does one acquire a dozen of these things? Even farming 24/7 isn’t likely to net you more than a couple. Heck, it took me several days, at several hours per day, to get just one! Even if one did somehow manage to get lucky with drops and get a bunch, it doesn’t make sense to flood the market with them, selling at 1/3 the market price.

All the other whelpling drops where selling at normal prices: 1K - 1.5K each.

4004

This is why I always doublecheck the listings before I post mine. If I’m seeing 5s, 5s, 10s, 20s, 25s, 25s, 25s per item, and everything under 25s is in less than a 20-stack, I’m selling for 25s/each. Those partial stacks will get bought up very quickly without fully meeting demand, or will just get skipped over.

I have to admit I sometimes screw with the market in such cases, too. If someone puts up a partial stack or even a full stack for insanely cheap, way below what I would want to price mine at, I’ll buy up those stacks and turn them around for a saner price. Arbitrage is kind of a shady practice IMO, but the person who listed the stack for a steal still gets their money and it keeps the market from tanking too much, so I figure every once in a while is okay.

4005

Every auction house guide I’ve ever seen says that this is one of the absolute musts for getting your money’s worth out of the AH. Why would it be shady? The seller is selling this stuff for way less than it’s worth. You would have every right to buy it at the asking price and turn around and sell it at the real market price. I would have (assuming I had a decent bankroll) bought every single one of the Azure Whelplings at 400g and held them back in the bank, putting one back on per week at the regular 1500g price.

I mean, what’s the alternative? Leave the insanely low-priced stuff on there for someone else to snap up? Send the seller a message that they’re pricing stuff way too low and they could easily make more money on it? Those both seem kind of…well, dumb.

4006

True, but it smacks of market manipulation and seems rather selfish in that I’m not buying the stuff to use it but only to squeeze more money out of the market. Like with those Azure Whelplings, if they did get bought by a reseller, then that screws someone who just wanted to have one.

I know how the market works, and if someone’s not willing to pay 1500, they can keep an eye on the AH and hope the price drops or even just go get one themselves (if possible, that’s a horrible drop rate).

I think I just have a sour taste in my mouth from the run on Wiis back when they first came out and people were buying them just to resell on eBay. :stuck_out_tongue:

4007

In theory, this is sound. However, the main issue is how this fellow managed to come up with so many Whelplings in the first place. Clearly, he wasn’t doing the buy-and-resell thing, unless he’s a philanthropist and was willing to take a 10k+ gold loss in the process. If he’s a farmer, he may have just gotten lucky, or been saving up (in which case, he’s probably not too bright, considering he could have rationed them out over time and made significantly more money…). But if there’s something illicit going on, then he would very likely be back with another round of cheap whelps, which would pretty much make it impossible to make any money by trying to buy his wares at the low prices he was setting and resell them.

That’s what made it so strange: flooding the market with a rare drop like that serves no useful purpose, beyond making pet collectors happy…

4008

SFG. I have been trying to farm that damn Black Tabby for MONTHS because I refuse to pay 3000 gold for a vanity pet. Haha.

4009

Wild guess: He managed to get that number somehow via a hack or exploit, and is trying to sell them all cheap in an attempt to get the money now before a GM notices.

4010

I’ve seen that kind of thing too and wondered the same thing, though in my case it was seeing a single person who has posted multiple copies of the same blue weapon or armor piece. And I have to wonder how they acquired them. I mean, the blues that dependably drop in instances are nearly all BoP and can’t be auctioned, so the only way to get BoE blues is from random drops. And what are the odds of one person getting the same random-dropped blue 4-5 times? I most recently saw this with the Blade of Misfortune - somebody had three of them posted.

4011

Because in most cases, someone spends all day and night running the same instances improving there chance of getting the same items.

4012

Best guess, presuming they’re not hacking the game or doing anything else illegal: they’re just hoarding and dumping their stock. Those Azure Whelplings or Blades of Misfortune might have been collected over the last two years, and for whatever reason the seller decided to get rid of them.

4013

My first thought was “gold seller who hacked an account and found a hoarder”.

4014

If you find some underpriced ore, buy that first. Then you can post your stack for the market-controlled “correct” price.

4015

Right, but I was specifically talking about items that are not instance drops. The aforementioned Blade of Misfortune is a random world drop (I found one on one of the pink orcs wandering near Honor Hold in Hellfire Peninsula).

4016

Back in TBC, Potion spec was the easiest. But if Primal Might is now easy to come by (did they pull it off the xmute CD, or is it just cheap on the AH?), Transmute spec would be easier. (What’s funny is that Transmutation was the hardest one to do in TBC because of what a pain it was to farm all the mats and then take five days to transmute it all and/or buy the Primal Might.)

Something to file for next time, then. :slight_smile: If you hold the adds by XT, **they **get caught in incidental AOE damage targeted on him, and **he **gets caught by your incidental AOE damage on them. Everybody wins!

Tanking is crazy and scary and awesome and tiring and frustrating and rewarding. Have fun! (And holler if you need any notes on strategy–I can’t answer to DK specifics, but I can definitely give you tips on positioning and such for the fights I’ve done.)

There’s even a difference between group tactics and raid tactics. As a tank, it’s always **really **weird for me to go into a 5-man after a long time of just raiding, because it’s a huge mental adjustment.

If it makes you feel any better, the only way I can remember which way is which is to say “WE”–then I remember that the W is this way <---- and the E is this way ---->. :o

This is why I never use the automatic undercut price, unless I’m matching the price of another auction I myself have posted for the item. I always manually tweak.

Yeah, that is really weird. If I were you, I’d open a ticket and report it, in case someone figured out an exploit to dupe items.

That’s the nice thing about WoW versus the real world: because the items aren’t physical, there’s no limit to how many of them can exist. Buying and reselling video game consoles is a shitty thing to do because there’s a finite supply; buying and reselling non-combat pets just means that the person has to pay the higher fee or go farm it themself.

Come to Borean Tundra–the server’s still new enough that our market for high-level items, especially vanity ones, is still pretty depressed. I have picked up some very rare pets for some very low prices. (My Hyacinth Macaw, for example, was something like 3k gold.)

What you should do, if you haven’t already, is park a toon right in the building (preferably a class with a controllable permanent pet–i.e., a Hunter or a DK). Then make a macro that says “/tar dalaran spell” and bind it to a key or a mouse button. (I have mine on my scrollwheel.) Then, you can just log in to check quickly whenever you have time.

(The pet, for the record, is so that you can quickly tell where the Spellscribe has spawned, since there are three possible locations. Tell your pet to attack it, and the pet will run to the spawn point, saving you the trouble of checking. The only thing that you **must **be careful of is to **stop **your pet as soon as you can tell which spawn point it’s going to–if your pet kills the Spellscribe before you’re able to get an attack in, you won’t be able to loot it.)

4017

I didn’t realize for the longest time that the Black Tabby was a rare drop…I got it on my first kill :slight_smile:

I also got the Hyacinth Macaw after only about 10 minutes of killing pirates. I was prepared to spend many, many days farming for it, but I got really lucky on the Macaw (I look at that one as karmic payback for the thousands of kills it took me to get my aforementioned Azure Whelpling).

(In general, I don’t pay for farmable pets - the sole exception thus far being the Tiny Emerald Whelpling… Usually, the only pets I buy are the ones that are not otherwise obtainable by Horde players.)

4018

Off of the Dalaran Spellscribe in Ambermill in Silverpine Forest, it’s actually a 1/5 drop. The mob itself is a rarespawn. (The other mobs it drops off of, however, it’s something like a 1/1000.)

For me, money is so easy to make and the market on BT is so depressed that I’ll just spend rather than farm for the rare drops. I don’t even want to think about how many thousands of gold I’ve spent on pets and mounts… Probably easily 15k or 20k.

4019

I’ve been wanting the little kitten that Timmy sells in SW for a long time. Since people were saying that Timmy spawns every 4 hours or so–and the spawn point is listed on Thottbot–I parked a toon 20 yards down the path facing the spawn point, put WoW’s screen on my 2nd monitor, and left it there for almost 6 hours while I was doing other things on the main screen. Never saw the little twit. And this was late at night when there were very few people in Stormwind. sigh

4020

I was planning on getting back into the game soon. I haven’t played since right before the first expansion came out, but so much of the game as changed (honor system, new places/stuff/tradeskills/races/etc.

I’m the type of player who likes to play smarter, not harder- farming for items and running the same instance over and over again get tedious for me. Has the game changed that radically since I left it? Last time I played, with an ice spec mage I was able to level up very quickly/accumulate a decent amount of money mostly just playing solo with the occasional pickup group to run instances here and there. Would I still be able to play this way?

Have battlegrounds changed much? I really enjoyed them, sans the twinks and horrendous wait times to get into a game during peak hours.

Since the level cap has gone all the way to 80, how slow is it leveling from 60-80? I remember it started puttering along from 50-60 so I can only imagine it gets glacially slow at the last few levels…